Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

One rule for me and another rule for you....check out Herchel Walker's abortion stance and applying it for his girlfriend/s/s

Herchel Walker was also a loud proponent of black fathers staying with their children and not just moving on. Turns out he has a number of kids he has never cared for.

That's normal for Republicans though. They have to be the most hypocritical arseholes on the planet. They are against gays - until their own kids come out. They are against abortion - until their girlfriend gets pregnant. They bang on about the sanctity of marriage but are on their third wife, and possibly having an affair on the side.
And the ones who shout loudest about family values turn out to be gay themselves.

Democrats caught doing something vaguely off colour resign from congress. If Republicans are caught doing something seriously bad you can't get them out with dynamite.

[pete376403]

Depends how you look at it.

Did you know that the majority of Anti-Abortion activists are Mothers?

But as above - waiting for the dust to settle.

I doubt if many non-pregnant woman actively WANT an abortion, but if and when they do, the choice should be theirs, not some politicians - least of all some politician who would deny them but send their wives / girlfriends off to get one (eg Herschel Walker, and probably others).

[TheDemonLord]

Herchel Walker was also a loud proponent of black fathers staying with their children and not just moving on. Turns out he has a number of kids he has never cared for.

That's normal for Republicans though. They have to be the most hypocritical arseholes on the planet. They are against gays - until their own kids come out. They are against abortion - until their girlfriend gets pregnant. They bang on about the sanctity of marriage but are on their third wife, and possibly having an affair on the side.
And the ones who shout loudest about family values turn out to be gay themselves.

Democrats caught doing something vaguely off colour resign from congress. If Republicans are caught doing something seriously bad you can't get them out with dynamite.

Oh, you mean like the Left telling everyone that fossil fuels are killing the planet, and then flying into a climate conference on their private Jet?

See, I don't disagree that both sides have their hypocrites - that's fine, I'll let you have that one.

But in turn - let's look at the advice that republicans give:

Get Married, stay married, have kids, be around for your kids.

Not a bad recipe for life, now is it? I could add other things - such as looking after yourself, being able and ready to defend yourself, be active in your local community, give to charity etc. etc. but the fundamental message doesn't stop being good even if the person saying it is an asshat.

[TheDemonLord]

I doubt if many non-pregnant woman actively WANT an abortion, but if and when they do, the choice should be theirs, not some politicians - least of all some politician who would deny them but send their wives / girlfriends off to get one (eg Herschel Walker, and probably others).

See, I've stated I'm fundamentally pro-choice - but let me make the Conservative argument for a second, because it's worth repeating:

The decision to not have a child starts before conception. Either don't fuck, use a Condom or use some form of Birth Control - there are a Myriad of options. And sure, young people make stupid mistakes, I've paid for a few morning-after pills when I was a younger man cause that was cheaper than 18 years of payments.

Once you've done the Crime, you should do the time.

To a Conservative (without raising the Moral arguments about the starting of life or the religious views), shirking ones responsibilities is wrong.

Not to mention that there is a Gender imbalance - there is no equivalent to an Abortion for Men to opt-out of parenthood post hoc.

Getting back to the perspective of the anti-abortion crowd, predominantly being Mothers - maybe there is something transformative, that makes you a better person, when you become a parent. Maybe there is something in terms of meaning and fulfillment in your life that cannot be measured or quantified that is so precious that these Women believe strongly that other Women shouldn't forgo it.

[R650R]

Herchel Walker was also a loud proponent of black fathers staying with their children and not just moving on. Turns out he has a number of kids he has never cared for.

That's normal for Republicans though. They have to be the most hypocritical arseholes on the planet. They are against gays - until their own kids come out. They are against abortion - until their girlfriend gets pregnant. They bang on about the sanctity of marriage but are on their third wife, and possibly having an affair on the side.
And the ones who shout loudest about family values turn out to be gay themselves.

Democrats caught doing something vaguely off colour resign from congress. If Republicans are caught doing something seriously bad you can't get them out with dynamite.

The left believes you are either with them or against them they don’t tolerate the middle ground. Most people that are “ anti abortion” aren’t anti the right to access. They are anti making it a mainstream easy lifestyle choice for people who make bad decisions. The worst thing about abortion is it results in dysgenics and societal distortion.
You see the original promoters Margery Sanger et al thought it would be a way to curb what Hillary calls the deplorables or useless eaters from multiplying. However the majority uptake has been intelligent successful career women chasing the next promotion.
Meanwhile sex education promotes promiscuity and in the end the lower social economic group ends up reproducing more.
The left is against poverty and starvation but restricts oil production and places burdens on businesses producing food.
Thevleft is against capitalism but invents a pyramid scheme for the rich to pay to pollute aka carbon credits with the cost of all this flooding down to the poor everyday consumer.
The left wants lower prison population but then let’s crime run wild.

[husaberg]

The left believes you are either with them or against them they don’t tolerate the middle ground. Most people that are “ anti abortion” aren’t anti the right to access. They are anti making it a mainstream easy lifestyle choice for people who make bad decisions. The worst thing about abortion is it results in dysgenics and societal distortion.
You see the original promoters Margery Sanger et al thought it would be a way to curb what Hillary calls the deplorables or useless eaters from multiplying. However the majority uptake has been intelligent successful career women chasing the next promotion.
Meanwhile sex education promotes promiscuity and in the end the lower social economic group ends up reproducing more.
The left is against poverty and starvation but restricts oil production and places burdens on businesses producing food.
Thevleft is against capitalism but invents a pyramid scheme for the rich to pay to pollute aka carbon credits with the cost of all this flooding down to the poor everyday consumer.
The left wants lower prison population but then let’s crime run wild.

For someone that knows so little you seem to think you know a lot about what the left wants.

Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
But why start doing that now

A nice moments of reasoned sanity there. You can bet the Russians will prob never even receive or acknowledge her comment. She’s too young to remember the NZ butter/Lada fiasco....

Russia won’t invade anyway. There troops on border are like patched gang members sitting in a car in street while the prospects go do dirty work and collect debts.
There has been substantial internal skirmishes going on for a long time by rebel groups, many think Ukraine really is still pretty much Russia absent post Cold War changes. Funny how when yanks do same with cia interfering in other countries no one says anything...,,

maybe this the red wave was more a drip

[pritch]

They are anti making it a mainstream easy lifestyle choice for people who make bad decisions.

Not at all. The Republicans were pushing for a law that banned abortion across the entire nation. No exceptions for rape or incest. There has already been an attempt to make a pregnant ten year old carry her own fathers' baby to term. You've been reading fake news again.

The left wants lower prison population but then let’s crime run wild.

The NZ Labour Party is regarded as left yet we are rated the second safest country on earth. Where's all this crime that's running wild? Basically it exists in the fevered imaginings of the ignorati who listen to NewstalkZB and TV news executives desperate to pump doom and gloom into our living rooms.

[sugilite:Me]

Da, da trump trump trump, another one bites the dust.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63627007

[husaberg]

Not at all. The Republicans were pushing for a law that banned abortion across the entire nation. No exceptions for rape or incest. There has already been an attempt to make a pregnant ten year old carry her own fathers' baby to term. You've been reading fake news again.




The NZ Labour Party is regarded as left yet we are rated the second safest country on earth. Where's all this crime that's running wild? Basically it exists in the fevered imaginings of the ignorati who listen to NewstalkZB and TV news executives desperate to pump doom and gloom into our living rooms.

Yip
According to the Global Peace Index, New Zealand is ranked the second safest country worldwide in 2021 and has been part of the top five since 2008. As per the statistics by Numbeo, New Zealand has a crime index of 43.03 and a safety index of 56.97.



or mabye gdp per capitia


or maybe excess deaths during a pandemic

[TheDemonLord]

Not at all. The Republicans were pushing for a law that banned abortion across the entire nation. No exceptions for rape or incest. There has already been an attempt to make a pregnant ten year old carry her own fathers' baby to term. You've been reading fake news again.

As it seems, have you:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...nwide-00056404

The Protecting Pain-Capable Unborn Children from Late-Term Abortions Act prohibits abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy and provides some exceptions in cases of rape, incest

The NZ Labour Party is regarded as left yet we are rated the second safest country on earth. Where's all this crime that's running wild?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...ate-statistics

See how the trend was slightly decreasing downward, since the 90s.

Then something happened in 2017...

Can't quite put my finger on it....

A 253% increase in crime...

Now - to be clear - your point is correct, compared globally, we still have very low rates of crime. But if we compare NZ before Stalinda and after Stalinda, there is a multitude of evidence that crime has increased.

Or, if you'd like another source: https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/19-...ally-increased

Crime has increased 15%

Basically it exists in the fevered imaginings of the ignorati who listen to NewstalkZB and TV news executives desperate to pump doom and gloom into our living rooms.

"Don't believe your lying eyes"

[F5 Dave]

So I'm reading in a quote an inference that people who make bad life choices should be forced into becoming parents.

Yeah I can see that promoting good outcomes.


All because they read some old book where imaginary figures impart moral control, paraphrase: fuck women, then - Fuck women! Nice huh?

[pete376403]

See, I've stated I'm fundamentally pro-choice - but let me make the Conservative argument for a second, because it's worth repeating:

The decision to not have a child starts before conception. Either don't fuck, use a Condom or use some form of Birth Control - there are a Myriad of options. And sure, young people make stupid mistakes, I've paid for a few morning-after pills when I was a younger man cause that was cheaper than 18 years of payments.

Once you've done the Crime, you should do the time.

To a Conservative (without raising the Moral arguments about the starting of life or the religious views), shirking ones responsibilities is wrong.

Not to mention that there is a Gender imbalance - there is no equivalent to an Abortion for Men to opt-out of parenthood post hoc.

Getting back to the perspective of the anti-abortion crowd, predominantly being Mothers - maybe there is something transformative, that makes you a better person, when you become a parent. Maybe there is something in terms of meaning and fulfillment in your life that cannot be measured or quantified that is so precious that these Women believe strongly that other Women shouldn't forgo it.

The typical conservative - "I'm fiercely independent, no-one tells me what to do, my life is my own to live as I see fit. And everyone else should do what I believe too"

[R650R]

Not at all. The Republicans were pushing for a law that banned abortion across the entire nation. No exceptions for rape or incest. There has already been an attempt to make a pregnant ten year old carry her own fathers' baby to term. You've been reading fake news again.




The NZ Labour Party is regarded as left yet we are rated the second safest country on earth. Where's all this crime that's running wild? Basically it exists in the fevered imaginings of the ignorati who listen to NewstalkZB and TV news executives desperate to pump doom and gloom into our living rooms.

Sadly all the good hosts have gone from ZB and my work schedule doesn’t coincide with optimum listening times now. Any how tonight I watched a bit of doom and gloom ( to hear about the new resource management act shake up to be delivered in ten years time🤣🤣&#129315
Cuddly Coster was defending polices poor response to fraud investigations with the line that they get a million 111 calls a year with the implication that the majority were domestic violence as crimes against people take priority.
So when one in five of the population on average has to make 111 call yearly for mostly violent crimes I’d say we have a problem.
And one of following story’s about the life parolee who murdered that girl, there’s so many of them that the police have have a dedicated app on the phone for the 400 or so of them on the loose... and I don’t need to remind you what level of nastiness you actually need to do in this country to actually get a life sentence.....

[1/32 man]

To a Conservative (without raising the Moral arguments about the starting of life or the religious views), shirking ones responsibilities is wrong.

Our mother trump is good with responsibilities isnt she? Never accepted ever being responsible for anything.....look at Covid in the US and how he handled that? Blood on his hands wouldnt you say?

Waiting for a hefty reply with more quotes and references and links.

Conservatives don't conserve anything except their own well being.

[R650R]

As it seems, have you:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...nwide-00056404






https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...ate-statistics

See how the trend was slightly decreasing downward, since the 90s.

Then something happened in 2017...

Can't quite put my finger on it....

A 253% increase in crime...

Now - to be clear - your point is correct, compared globally, we still have very low rates of crime. But if we compare NZ before Stalinda and after Stalinda, there is a multitude of evidence that crime has increased.

Or, if you'd like another source: https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/19-...ally-increased

Crime has increased 15%



"Don't believe your lying eyes"

Was probably the decision to ban pursuits and also announcing a target of 30% prison population reduction. Even the crims who never managed school cert maths could do the numbers on how there would have to be immediate exponential drops in sentancing severity...