Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[sugilite:Me]

To be fair - Musk currently has been ripping UK Labour to shreds over the grooming gang scandals - and I am 100 percent here for it.

I dunno, I am happy.

How did the tories deal with these 10 year old allegations while they were in power?

[pritch]

Trump simply called out the dole bludgers of the NATO alliance, in particular those who continually failed to meet their individual defence spending commitments under the NATO rules and regulations (% of GDP), without any serious infractions, letting Trump pick up the bill.



Trump would never remove the US from NATO - the military industrial complex would not allow it & neither would myself and many other Americans who hold millions of dollars of shares in Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

It seems you have made the basic mistake of believing Trump's alternate facts. Yes he did call out the bludgers, but since Putin started misbehaving the Nato countries have been paying up. That won't make Trump change his story though.

If Putin wants the US out of Nato Trump will make it happen.

[TheDemonLord]

How did the tories deal with these 10 year old allegations while they were in power?

There are two sides to this.

The first is the obvious fact: Abysmmally. The Tories have been an utter disapointment, I had high hopes for Boris - he was terrible and everyone else has been a wet blanket.

The second, though, is much more nuanced.

It seems some people in the Tories did try and get some progress on this - Suella Braverman or Priti Patel IIRC tried to get the Ethnicity of offenders recorded and they were stalled, stymied and blocked by the Home Office and the Civil Service.

Now, even if that is true - the fact that when the Tories had an overwhelming majority, they didnt just update the rules on Government Employees and fire the entire lot of them that opposed attempts to deal with the problem (will get there in a minute) - means that point 1 still *very* much applies.

There is something rotten at the heart of the British Beaurocracy - and it will either be resolved at the ballot box, or there will be a revolt of sorts.

Edit:

For thos interested, there is a definite issue of Class at work here - whereby Working Class people (who are directly affected by the problems) describe the issue in ways that seem Racist to the Middle and Upper Classes of the UK.

I saw a US commentator pointing out that Douglas Murray and Tommy Robinson essentially say the same thing on the Grooming Gang issue - yet one is persona non-grata and the other still gets to appear on the BBC.

Then you have historical issues, such as the River of Blood speech (which some might call prophetic) and other hang-ups whereby for the fear of appearance of potential Racism and for fear of daring to speak out against non-British cultures and cultural practices and dare to assert British Values as the domininant values in Britain - they have been browbeaten into inaction.

[TheDemonLord]

It seems you have made the basic mistake of believing Trump's alternate facts. Yes he did call out the bludgers, but since Putin started misbehaving the Nato countries have been paying up. That won't make Trump change his story though.

If Putin wants the US out of Nato Trump will make it happen.

Just one question:

Why werent they paying up before Putin started misbehaving?

[pritch]

In this country child protection services are run by central government. The system is not perfect and there is considerable criticism. Some of the criticism is justified, some not so much. The care homes for kids who, for whatever reason cannot live in their own home, are run by Orange Tamariki.

In Britain child protection services are run by local councils and they often hire out the care home contracts to private companies. To maximise the return on their investment the companies buy homes in the part of town where house prices are lowest. This results in 'at risk' kids being placed in the worst part of town with sadly predictable results.

There have been several scandals resulting from this with some, but not all, involving muslim groups. There have been multiple inquiries and some changes have been made. The events at Rotherham took place from the 1980s to 2013. It might seem odd that Musk is now choosing to comment on such matters but it seems he has adopted the cause of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon alias Tommy Robinson, the anti-muslim activist. Musk is commenting on these events as if they are current but they are historic. Robinson is in the right place, he is in prison.

Musk told Nigel Farage MP of the Reform Party that he wants Robinson in Parliament. Farage said no. Farage is no longer on Musk's Christmas card list. This is just one more example of Musk interfering in the politics of other countries. He is also boosting AfD the neo Nazi party in Germany. If the Nazis are in Germany though we can probably dispense with the "neo".

Both Musk and Robinson have their own threads but I put this here because the topic is current here and in case anyone was wondering what the fuss was about.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rother...tation_scandal

[TheDemonLord]

In this country child protection services are run by central government. The system is not perfect and there is considerable criticism. Some of the criticism is justified, some not so much. The care homes for kids who, for whatever reason cannot live in their own home, are run by Orange Tamariki.

In Britain child protection services are run by local councils and they often hire out the care home contracts to private companies. To maximise the return on their investment the companies buy homes in the part of town where house prices are lowest. This results in 'at risk' kids being placed in the worst part of town with sadly predictable results.

There have been several scandals resulting from this with some, but not all, involving muslim groups. There have been multiple inquiries and some changes have been made. The events at Rotherham took place from the 1980s to 2013. It might seem odd that Musk is now choosing to comment on such matters but it seems he has adopted the cause of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon alias Tommy Robinson, the anti-muslim activist. Musk is commenting on these events as if they are current but they are historic. Robinson is in the right place, he is in prison.

Musk told Nigel Farage MP of the Reform Party that he wants Robinson in Parliament. Farage said no. Farage is no longer on Musk's Christmas card list. This is just one more example of Musk interfering in the politics of other countries. He is also boosting AfD the neo Nazi party in Germany. If the Nazis are in Germany though we can probably dispense with the "neo".

Both Musk and Robinson have their own threads but I put this here because the topic is current here.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rother...tation_scandal

The issue is ongoing and that is the problem. Not just in Rotherham. These groups are overwhelming comprised of Pakistani Muslims.

Where the homes were located was not and was never the issue. The issue was the Police, the Councils and the entire British Establishment covering it up for fear of inflaming community tensions.

And let us take the demographic component out of it for a minute.

Imagine you had a 12 year old girl, who goes to the Police and says they were raped by Adult Men.

12.

Under the Age of Consent.

There is no scenario whereby a rational police officer and police force could not investigate that as a crime

And yet, we hear multiple instances of the same or similar stories - Officers failing to investigate these crimes and saying that it happened because a 12 year old consented - apparently staturory rape is no longer a thing.

Everything about this issue stinks from the top to the bottom - and the more Musk goes on about it, the happier I am, because the English working class people need Justice.

[Laava]

*Correction, 4+ years of baseless wailing over the fake "stolen election" premise. And in the meantime, trumps old puckered arsehole remains spotless.

Ahhh fuck! I was eating prunes as I was reading this! FFS!

[Dean]

For the record, I do feel these nato countries should be paying what they agreed upon.

Firstly, how has your summer holiday been?

That’s great - we both agree! Case closed! That was my main principle, as was TDL’s.

You don't know what trump would do.

Sure - no one can predict future events, despite how unlikely they are to occur, just as I cannot rule out I would be struck by lightning tomorrow. But I suggest you read up on Americas history pertaining to the military industrial complex.

And here is that odd "I'm an american" stuff coming from you again! huh? I also find it so odd that a christian would invest in shares of companies that produce weapons designed to kill people. If Jesus came back to the planet, do you think he would advocate for investment in war weapons companies?

I am simply pro the constitution and the values the republican party uphold. Note I also have friends and family over there. I donÂ’t mean for that to come across as anything else. Yes sometimes in the “heat of debate” I may try it on with you as you do with me!

I don’t wish to delve any further into my personal financial matters on here. What I will say is - war itself was sanctioned by God in the right circumstances. It was seen as a necessary action to take against people who oppressed his people or greatly disobeyed him.

There are defense contractors out there who operate/supply markets of largely Christian populations in whom engage in conflicts with nations or parties that both oppress our people and disobey his teachings - case in point: war on terror.

- The battle of the assyrians (2 Kings 19)
- King DavidÂ’s wars (1 Samuel 16:2, Samuel 10)
- The battle of Jericho (Joshua 6)
- The war against the Midianites (Numbers 31)

I’m not trying to convince you btw - you can have your own personal view as you have the right to. And we can happily move on from this topic.

There were extremely good points in that research, but you appear to have taken the snowflake off ramp to avoid having to answer some hard questions?

Two things.

1) I won’t engage with someone who can’t get their point across without using foul insults and seeking to degrade me as a person. Would you? Despite this, I offered discourse if that individual could hold some self control, and how did that end up…

2) The founding principle of my argument is that there needs to be more contributions from the NATO members towards defense spending. In particular, the prescribed % of GDP. Which Trump has been signalling for some time now. What else is there to respond to?

I have to ask - you and your conjoined brother dope seem to feel you both have this mandate and mana to layout terms and rules of engagement and reply. You both make suggestions on how people should be otherwise spending their time while you yourselves are doing pretty much the same thing - huh?

This whole KBdope and me thing is just getting old.

In this specific example - I am addressing an individual who relentlessly attacks me in all manners of ways despite my pleas for him to put me on ignore and move on. To the point where I can see his fixation with me is not healthy. I wouldn’t need to layout any such terms with people like yourself or Pritch etc because you would never do that!

It is a real shame that trump has turned the gop into a party of wailing snowflakes. What a stark contrast this last jan 6th was over the last one. Despite 50 lost court challenges and zero proof the election was stolen, the gop wailed and cried, then continued to do so for 4 year. Contrast that with the dems last week, they stoically backed the election results and certified it with no wailing or crying to be seen. I don't have much respect for the dems or like that many of their policies, however they still have a certain amount of class. Where as the gop are just the party of trump dick suckers and arsehole lickers.

Sorry but on this very thread there were a few people suggesting and/or outright saying that Kamala lost because she was “black” and a woman. Have you forgot?

[sugilite:Me]

Firstly, how has your summer holiday been?

I've been leaving plenty of black lines, so pretty good thanks. You?

Sure - no one can predict future events, despite how unlikely they are to occur, just as I cannot rule out I would be struck by lightning tomorrow. But I suggest you read up on Americas history pertaining to the military industrial complex.

This is trump we are talking about. He wont take any notice of what has come before. It's like part of his brand.

I am simply pro the constitution and the values the republican party uphold. Note I also have friends and family over there.

Me too, but I do not identify as an American in any way shape or form. I do like the American Constitution, but it is being badly eroded with the supreme court all but granting full presidential immunity against being prosecuted for crimes while in office. I abhor them for placing one man above the law.

I don’t wish to delve any further into my personal financial matters on here. What I will say is - war itself was sanctioned by God in the right circumstances. It was seen as a necessary action to take against people who oppressed his people or greatly disobeyed him.

That would make sense if you were the one controlling that these weapons only be used in these "God sanctioned" wars. I'm struggling to see your statement as anything but that you are ultimately making profit for yourself from the weapons industry, and damn the consequences.

This whole KBdope and me thing is just getting old.
In this specific example - I am addressing an individual who relentlessly attacks me in all manners of ways despite my pleas for him to put me on ignore and move on. To the point where I can see his fixation with me is not healthy. I wouldn’t need to layout any such terms with people like yourself or Pritch etc because you would never do that!

That is odd, as you are interacting with him a lot for wanting him to put you on their ignore list.
And I'm just observing that you and dope have very similar tactics and mannerisms. For the record, I do not think you are the same person.

Sorry but on this very thread there were a few people suggesting and/or outright saying that Kamala lost because she was “black” and a woman. Have you forgot?

How does that address in any way what I actually said?
This is the weakness of every maga I ever encounter, make a factual statement about anything trump, gop or maga and it is always "look over there, look over there!".
And as an aside, since you have started a new tangent - being black and being a woman will be factors in why she lost, not the only factors granted, but factors none the less.

So yeah, despite what you say above - the below still applies and I have a ton of receipts if you want to take it further?

It is a real shame that trump has turned the gop into a party of wailing snowflakes. What a stark contrast this last jan 6th was over the last one. Despite 50 lost court challenges and zero proof the election was stolen, the gop wailed and cried, then continued to do so for 4 year. Contrast that with the dems last week, they stoically backed the election results and certified it with no wailing or crying to be seen. I don't have much respect for the dems or like that many of their policies, however they still have a certain amount of class. Where as the gop are just the party of trump dick suckers and arsehole lickers.

[pritch]

I do like the American Constitution, but it is being badly eroded with the supreme court all but granting full presidential immunity against being prosecuted for crimes while in office. I abhor them for placing one man above the law.

Wonder of wonders the Supreme Court has denied Trump's appeal to delay sentencing on his 34 felony convictions. Trump's case that he has presidential immunity was absurd. These offences were committed before he was president and he is not president now, but this Supreme Court is corrupt so nothing was impossible. Perhaps some SCOTUS members are starting to worry how history will treat them because they voted 5 - 4 to deny Trump's application.

Tomorrow we'll know how wet the bust ticket that he is to be slapped with will be. I suspect it will barely be damp.

[husaberg]

You are more likely to express milk than a well considered opinion.
You can't debate otherwise you would. You just run, hide and deflect. or even funnier attempt to puff your chest out and bluster.
You don't seem to understand you are not eliciting anger or any emotional response other than pity. You also don't understand embarrassing trolls like you has its own rewards as it's funny. No one is buying your act. A little energy is being devoted towards you. Just like in life on KB you are pretty much mediocre and irrelevant.
when you get over your own emotional feel free to embarrass yourself further by offering your rebuttal or more of "your own opinions"

Errr okÂ…..is everything good at home/work? Are you ok?

No need to reply to me past midnight, or at all - spend that time doing productive things. Work on the bike, study some books etc. There is no pressure to respond to this either btw so donÂ’t feel compelled to.

Now back to the topic of the thread - unfortunately, I have now put you on ignore (or some call it neutering a person these days?) anyways I will resume my good and respectful conversations with multiple other good relevant folks and friends on here re Trump and many other topics. That is the beauty of freedom on KB.

Take care,
Dean.

I see you went with the puffing out chest, bluster defection and then hiding as a combo.
How about instead of getting all emotional and claiming you are being personally attacked, when its clear to anyone with a modicum of intelligence it is not you being attacked.
Its the content of the your posts and your motivation in posting them that are being questioned.
So instead of getting all pent up and claiming you are supposedly being unfairly treated. How about replying to what i posted, that clearly shows your claims appear to be without merit. Instead of just further troll posting where you feign "you are being wronged".
ps its rather amusing that you are making claims about "neutering" when it appears from my own history you are rather lacking in the balls to respond to valid criticism of your own posts.
It seems you get rather upset with people replying your posts with straight talk, but then you claims to admire trump when he sets those liberals straight...

[Laava]

While they are on a roll…

[Kendog]

I see you went with the puffing out chest, bluster defection and then hiding as a combo.
How about instead of getting all emotional and claiming you are being personally attacked, when its clear to anyone with a modicum of intelligence is not you being attacked its the content of the your posts and your motivation in posting them that are being questioned.
So instead of getting all pent up and claiming you are supposedly being unfairly treated, how about replying to what i posted that shows your claims appear to be without merit. Instead of just further troll posting.
ps its rather musing that you are making claims about "neutering" when it appears from my own history you are rather lacking in the balls to respond to valid criticism of your own posts.

Hi Dean,
I feel like hysaberg has nailed it with his post above.

I like this Trump debate.
I wish people were more objective, yourself included.
I wonder if you removed your block and read without bias, you’d see why I wish for objectivity.

[husaberg]

While they are on a roll…

I heard trump as well as Greenland wants to claim on Epstines island, as he has found memories of his frequent holidays there.....
Its just a rumour though...

[Laava]

I heard trump as well as Greenland wants to claim on Epstines island, as he has found memories of his frequent holidays there.....
Its just a rumour though...

Hahaha! Yep him and his daughter can go there…