Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[Kickaha]

The pro-transgender and anti-fascist engraving on the ammunition might be a clue.

Or it could just be to deflect suspicion

[pritch]

The engraved Helldivers quotes on his ammunition have led to him being described as an edgelord. I had to look that up.
One other titbit: he donated to Trump's election campaign. That should kill off any remaining doubt about his political leanings.

[pritch]

The pro-transgender and anti-fascist engraving on the ammunition might be a clue.

It may have been a clue if it existed but it didn't. The Wall Street Journal printed an item reporting trans and fascist engravings but the comments have since been retracted. Unsurprisingly not every journalist knows every Internet meme.

[TheDemonLord]

22 year old, white straight male from a conservative family arrested for the shooting of Charlie Kirk, I wonder how the right will spin this

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/20...he-murder.html

Every Left-Leaning outlet I have seen as said he is from a Conservative Family, which is interesting - because I am from a religious family, yet I am not religious.

I have seen some sources proporting to show a picture of him wearing a Pride and Transgender patch.

However, there is too much dust in the air at the moment for his specific motivations.

The outpouring of Glee from the Radical left jumping for joy on this, however - that is not up for debate.

[TheDemonLord]

Are you going to get equally upset about the assassination of the Minnesota Democratic state rep Melissa Hortman and her husband? Because Trump certainly didnt.

I'm going to answer this separately - because I feel it is interesting.

Someone talked about why this is different vs other Political assassinations - and I am going to paraphrase it. I don't agree with all of it, but I feel it is an interesting point:

In the US context - Public Officials have had a long history of being targets for political violence - there have been a number of Presidents assassinated, as well as numerous failed attempts (some more high profile than others) - the point being that public officials, who have law making powers have been (as ghoulish as this sounds) 'legitimate targets' in the US context.

However, Charlie was not a politician, he did not have any real policy making power - he went to places and offered an open mic for debate - disagreeing with people.

In the US Context - killing a political figure who has the power of the state behind them to enact and enforce laws detrimental to you, whilst considered extreme, has a long precedent of it occuring.

Shooting people for talking - much less so.

To be clear - I don't agree with this line of reasoning, but I find it interesting nonetheless.

Getting back to Melissa Hortman - it appears the primary motivation was Abortion rights - from the killers perspective, if you sincerely believe Abortion to be Murder, then there is an internally consistent thread of logic that would justify force to stop it.

For the sake of clarity, her Muder was absolutely abhorrent and should not have happened either.

[neels]

In the US Context - killing a political figure who has the power of the state behind them to enact and enforce laws detrimental to you, whilst considered extreme, has a long precedent of it occurring.

Shooting people for talking - much less so.

Martin Luther King?

I think there's a precedent there.

[Kickaha]

I have seen some sources proporting to show a picture of him wearing a Pride and Transgender patch.

Yeah fucking sure he was, no doubt about the pics of him of him wearing a Trump Halloween costume though

Getting back to Melissa Hortman - it appears the primary motivation was Abortion rights - from the killers perspective, if you sincerely believe Abortion to be Murder, then there is an internally consistent thread of logic that would justify force to stop it.

She was one of four people shot by the same person, just another right wing shooting as so many are

[pritch]

Every Left-Leaning outlet I have seen as said he is from a Conservative Family, which is interesting - because I am from a religious family, yet I am not religious.

I have seen some sources proporting to show a picture of him wearing a Pride and Transgender patch.

However, there is too much dust in the air at the moment for his specific motivations.

The outpouring of Glee from the Radical left jumping for joy on this, however - that is not up for debate.

As you say we have to await his actual motivation. Most likely explantion I've seen is that he's a groyper - there is a pattern. Nick Fuentes and Kirk were having a public spat. As a groyper the shooter was with Team Fuentes.

I've still seen zero evidence of an outpouring of glee. and no, I've not been searching weird corners of the Internet. TPM? WTF? I have noticed the sudden switch from blaming trannies to thoughts and prayers though. Pathetic.

A particular oddity was Patel, brought up Hindu, saying that he would meet up with Kirk, Christian?, in Valhalla, pagan. Neither seems remotely qualified to enter Valhalla.

[pritch]

So I have just seen my very first gleeful response to Kirk's death. The bad taste comments were made by the Chairman elect of the Oxford Debating Society no less. The gleeful comments were in a clip posted by another Oxford member who wants the chair elect removed from the position because of the comments. There is actually another clip of this twat "debating" Kirk at Oxford dressed in slippers,sweat pants and T with dreads. How he got elected is a mystery. DEI?

[husaberg]

So I have just seen my very first gleeful response to Kirk's death. The bad taste comments were made by the Chairman elect of the Oxford Debating Society no less. The gleeful comments were in a clip posted by another Oxford member who wants the chair elect removed from the position because of the comments. There is actually another clip of this twat "debating" Kirk at Oxford dressed in slippers,sweat pants and T with dreads. How he got elected is a mystery. DEI?

Does anyone remember what trump said after the hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband that left him with a fractured skull....

[jellywrestler]

Martin Luther King?

I think there's a precedent there.

one swallow doesn't make a summer

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah fucking sure he was, no doubt about the pics of him of him wearing a Trump Halloween costume though

Ah yes, because Halloween costumes clearly denote someone's political allegiance...

[TheDemonLord]

So I have just seen my very first gleeful response to Kirk's death. The bad taste comments were made by the Chairman elect of the Oxford Debating Society no less. The gleeful comments were in a clip posted by another Oxford member who wants the chair elect removed from the position because of the comments. There is actually another clip of this twat "debating" Kirk at Oxford dressed in slippers,sweat pants and T with dreads. How he got elected is a mystery. DEI?

Okay Pritch - Humour me for a second.

I've said that I've seen many instances of joy and glee at this assassination - you say you haven't seen it.

Consider this: The position of Chairman elect of the Oxford Debating Society is one that has a certain degree of preeminence. It's not some 14 year old in their basement on 4Chan.

It is a position that I believe could reasonably be inferred to have some degree of weight to it and be representative of at least a substantial viewpoint, Yes?

In which case - if someone in that position is openly celebrating, do you not believe it is reasonable that people in less public positions are also equally celebrating?

Here is another clip - TMZ Staff, on their Livestream - the time stamp is 4 hours, 17 minutes and 10 seconds. You can tell the moment that Trump confirmed Charlie was dead by the cheers, applause and very audible 'WOOHOO'! by the background staff

Again - not some internet troll in their basement, 'Professional Journalists'.



Another quote I saw today "All Fascists should see the inside of a body bag".

[TheDemonLord]

I'm going to end on another quote I saw on this - which I think sums up the current situation nicely:

"Some of you are so busy being Left or Right that you failed to see you stopped being a decent human being years ago"

[sugilite:Me]

22 year old, white straight male from a conservative family arrested for the shooting of Charlie Kirk, I wonder how the right will spin this

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/20...he-murder.html

Trump stopped wanting to talk about Charlie after that, I had the distinct impression trump was jealous of the lime light Kirk was hogging - I wish I was joking on that last point, but I'm not.

Which side are the Fascists?

The side that have an open mic and welcome people share their differing views?
Or the side that shoot people for doing so?

If the right side where all exactly like Charlie Kirk, you would have a point - but they are not. The right are every bit as bad as the left with the old "Free speech for me but not for thee".

"I am not making claims as to the specific political beliefs of the shooter.

I am pointing out that the side that loudly claims persecution, is also the side committing acts of terrorism."

Ahh, I can only guess the terrorist group you are referring is the lawless trump maga mob murdering a boat load of Venezuela fishermen last week - hint - drug boats don't need 11 people on board, they like to keep under the radar.

Some Snippets that I have seen:

"Good Morning everyone, especially the person that shot Charlie Kirk"

"We don't mourn Fascists in this house"

"I'm gonna celebrate his Death"

"Charlie Kirk was shot dead in the street like the dog he is etc etc

Clearly you do not do the same amount of analysis on your own side. When Pelosis husband got done over the head with a hammer, even magas in the house and senate were uttering shit like you posted above, yet alone the people commenting on news site comment sections and such. When Biden announced his cancer, you should of seen what they were saying about that.
This type of sentiment has become a lot more prevalent since trump came along. There is a heck of a lot of this kind of talk from trump himself that you choose to casually write off as "trump is just being bombastic".

What I did notice, which was interesting, was the difference in attitude between the old-school left and the current left. I did see many sentiments of:

"I did not like the man, or any of his ideas - but Political violence is never the solution"

There used to be Republicans in government that also had the attitude you mention above - do you know what happened top them? Your orange guy labelled them RINOS and ran them out of town leading to the low rent right wing mob we see today.

Seeing the Moderate Democrats pause and go 'No, killing someone for speech is a step too far' is good. Maybe this might be something unify people again.

trump has no interest in ever letting the energy of unification take hold. If only you could see that. He is the great divider - it is literally his brand. Don't believe me, a quote from trump himself the other day "Donald Trump has declined to call for the US to come together as a way of fixing the country’s divisions in the wake of the assassination of his close associate, the rightwing activist Charlie Kirk, preferring to cast “vicious and horrible” radicals on the left of US politics as the sole problem."

Would it surprise you thaf half of the examples I posted were from people in NZ? Green and TPM Voters?

If you want to see right wing nzers doing that kind of shit, just look at the liokes of tim from whangarei youtube comment section.

Now, sure - there are Radicals on the Right... the difference though is that they arent in the TMZ news room, they aren't professors at a University, they aren't anchors on LBC or MSNBC, they aren't protesting in the streets with foreign flags, chanting terrorist slogans.

My god, get your head out your tribes arse, wipe the shit out your eyes and look around. The radicals on the right are in the fox, newsmax and other right wing media, they are billionaires, and some are even supreme court justices.

The outpouring of Glee from the Radical left jumping for joy on this, however - that is not up for debate.

This jogged my memory when you came in the trump thread and were lamenting that you felt trumps assassination attempt did not get enough news space. Take of your right eye patch and watch these two shorts below - see if you can pick up on why trump did not get the sympathy press you thought he deserved, even from the right wing news agencies. Hint, it is because he is a callous uncaring cunt.

I'm going to end on another quote I saw on this - which I think sums up the current situation nicely:

"Some of you are so busy being Left or Right that you failed to see you stopped being a decent human being years ago"

Here is a quote from a youtube commenter with a reference to Kirks 2nd amendment comments - indeed you have shared similar sentiments right here in this forum - Kirks quote "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

The youtubers quote "I don’t support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but Charlie Kirk supported what happened to him."