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    This "respectful" upstanding right wing commentator has a solution for those pesky mentally ill homeless people. Kill them by lethal injection. What a guy.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3...thal-injection

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    If the right side where all exactly like Charlie Kirk, you would have a point - but they are not. The right are every bit as bad as the left with the old "Free speech for me but not for thee".
    I am not sure I agree. Perhaps the most famous example was Joe Rogan, he got Trump on, he invited Kamala on. Kamala did not want to come on. Time and time again I see from various sources that I read/watch/listen to - that the Right wants to get the Left to come on and debate and wants to talk through issues.

    Sure, some of them might have ulteriour motives of 'Owning the Libs' - but I don't see the same hesitation happening in the inverse.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Clearly you do not do the same amount of analysis on your own side. When Pelosis husband got done over the head with a hammer, even magas in the house and senate were uttering shit like you posted above, yet alone the people commenting on news site comment sections and such. When Biden announced his cancer, you should of seen what they were saying about that.
    This type of sentiment has become a lot more prevalent since trump came along. There is a heck of a lot of this kind of talk from trump himself that you choose to casually write off as "trump is just being bombastic".
    Okay - can you post a clip of say Fox News or similar cheering and going 'Woohoo!' at any of the events you mentioned, in the same way that TMZ did?

    How about the equivalent of the Oxford Debate Society chair?

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    trump has no interest in ever letting the energy of unification take hold. If only you could see that. He is the great divider - it is literally his brand. Don't believe me, a quote from trump himself the other day "Donald Trump has declined to call for the US to come together as a way of fixing the country’s divisions in the wake of the assassination of his close associate, the rightwing activist Charlie Kirk, preferring to cast “vicious and horrible” radicals on the left of US politics as the sole problem."
    Yes, it appears a bridge has been crossed. One side has continually called the other Nazi and Fascist etc. and has manufactured a moral justification for assassination.

    Would you negotiate with a group that believed you to be an existential threat to them and who wanted you dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    If you want to see right wing nzers doing that kind of shit, just look at the liokes of tim from whangarei youtube comment section.
    And how many of those, are doing so from a Newsroom? or from a Debate Chair? Or from the Teachers Desk? or Lecturers lecturn?

    That's the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    My god, get your head out your tribes arse, wipe the shit out your eyes and look around. The radicals on the right are in the fox, newsmax and other right wing media, they are billionaires, and some are even supreme court justices.
    Are they Radicals? Are they advocating tearing down all of western society?

    I'll be charitable for a moment - some of the more 'Spicy' Right wing sources that I keep tabs on, I see opinions on:

    - Israel, Jews and their influence on American Politics (in much the same vein as OldRider used to post)
    - Pointing to per-capita Demographic stats on things like Crime, Fatherlessness etc.
    - Anti-Assimilation rhetorhic (aka 'Send them back home' - and not referring to illegal migrants)
    - Anti-Abortion stances (This is more specifically from the Christian leaning sources)
    - All Alphabet people are mentally ill and should be in Asylums

    These views are what I would consider on the radical side. If you take the worst of them (the one about Asylums) - that is not advocating Death.

    The people who hold them are not working in TMZ or being invited onto MSNBC or holding positions in Oxford.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Here is a quote from a youtube commenter with a reference to Kirks 2nd amendment comments - indeed you have shared similar sentiments right here in this forum - Kirks quote "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

    The youtubers quote "I don’t support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but Charlie Kirk supported what happened to him."
    I've seen that quote a number of times, often with wild expressions of happiness.

    No doubt the next quote will be from Charlie about Empathy.
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    More Charlie quotes, from these we can obviously see a reasonable and fair commentator who sees both sides:
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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Here is a quote from a youtube commenter with a reference to Kirks 2nd amendment comments - indeed you have shared similar sentiments right here in this forum - Kirks quote "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

    The youtubers quote "I don’t support what happened to Charlie Kirk, but Charlie Kirk supported what happened to him."
    As much as I think Charlie was a prize cunt the full discussion around that quote provides a lot better context
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete376403 View Post
    More Charlie quotes, from these we can obviously see a reasonable and fair commentator who sees both sides:
    Yes, if we strip out all Context...

    So, some examples:

    MLK not being a good person - I believe there is an FBI recording of him having relations with a women where consent is dubious - and the guy was a known womanizer.

    On Black Pilots - he's saying if the standard of competence is lowered under the guise of DEI, then people would be scared of an underqualified pilot.

    On Gays being stoned to death - if you look at the full clip, he is responding to a Gay Youtuber, Rachel - who quotes Scripture as a justification. His reply is essentially "If you cite the Bible as an authority, then you also have to contend with the chapter before that says to stone Gay people to death"

    British Colonialism outlawed the practice of Slavery, Head Hunting, Cannibalism and various other practices that everyone would agree are barbaric.

    I could fact check all of them - but when even Kickaha admits:

    "As much as I think Charlie was a prize cunt the full discussion around that quote provides a lot better context"

    I trust that proves that the lists like that are half-truths abstracted from a larger discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post

    Yes, it appears a bridge has been crossed. One side has continually called the other Nazi and Fascist etc. and has manufactured a moral justification for assassination.
    Using the normal metrics one side is fascist. Godwin suspended his law during Trump 45 because there were fascists in the White House.
    Executing the homeless? Is that not extreme enough for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Using the normal metrics one side is fascist.
    This, Right here, is the problem.

    Not even close. Not philosophically, not legally, not theoretically.

    Continuing to say this is continuing one step closer to a civil war.

    And I do not think it will be contained just within the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Executing the homeless? Is that not extreme enough for you?
    What was the context of that comment? Was it all Homeless people? Or was it the mentally ill ones that commit violent crimes, with multiple convictions and yet are released by judges?

    Was the comment in bad taste and too far? Sure. But it was not Fascist.
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    We had flags at half mast for Kirk which was highly unusual but it just gets weirder. Kirk's body has been carried to where he is presumably to be Interred on Air Force 2 the Vice President's aircraft. He is being given full military honours despite never having served in the military.

    The town drunk and Secretary of Defence has asked the Pentagon to take action against service members who posted critical comments about Kirk. This is considered irregular as Kirk has no military connection. It would be different of he was in the chain of command but he is not and never was.

    Kirk is being made more important in death than he ever was in life - and it's not that he was unimportant alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    This, Right here, is the problem.

    Not even close. Not philosophically, not legally, not theoretically.

    Continuing to say this is continuing one step closer to a civil war.

    And I do not think it will be contained just within the US.



    What was the context of that comment? Was it all Homeless people? Or was it the mentally ill ones that commit violent crimes, with multiple convictions and yet are released by judges?

    Was the comment in bad taste and too far? Sure. But it was not Fascist.
    The comment was specific homeless people should be given involuntary fatal injections. "Just kill them." Not much room to move there.

    According to your logic there is no such thing as fascism. There is and it is alive and well in the White House. There are clear indicators, well, clear for everybody else if not for you.
    The indicators are listed here and almost all are happening right now.

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    The comment was specific homelsss people should be given involuntary fatal injections. "Just kill them." Not much room to move there.
    Which Specific ones? The ones that commit violent crimes...

    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    According to your logic there is no such thing as fascism. There is and it is alive and well in the White House. There are clear indicators, well, clear for everybody else if not for you.
    The indicators are listed here and almost all are happening right now.

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
    Someone wrote things down! It must be true!

    I had a look to see what the credentials of Lawrence Britt were - curiously enough, I couldn't find them...

    It's not that there is no such thing as Fascism, it's the redefinition of everything that is not psuedo-communist progressivism as 'Fascism' is not only wrong intellectual - but as recent events have shown, it is dangerous.

    The clear indicators for me are:

    "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing agaisnt the state"

    Tell me, how does inviting the opposition to come and speak and share their ideas align with 'Nothing against the state'? That was Charlie's entire thing. That is not something a Fascist does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    There is and it is alive and well in the White House. There are clear indicators, well, clear for everybody else if not for you.
    The indicators are listed here and almost all are happening right now.

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
    I had to go back to that article to see if it was produced based on the current administration, it just seemed to coincidental that they are ticking pretty much every box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Which Specific ones? The ones that commit violent crimes...
    Here you go, nothing about criminals. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7YSF4ZgyeOc

    You can go back on ignore you are just too wilfully obtuse. People are dying, your bullshit is offensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Here you go, nothing about criminals. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7YSF4ZgyeOc

    You can go back on ignore you are just too wilfully obtuse. People are dying, your bullshit is offensive.
    Hold up - let's get the full clip, shall we? Because all the Left-wing channels are using a clip that convieniently omit the preceeding statements and remove the chiron from the bottom.

    To give the proper context - it was a discussion about the Murder of Iryna Zarutska.

    It seems that the full clip has dissapeared - fortunately, we have that most famous of Right Wing sources...

    Stuff

    And let's add in the bit right before the clipped section

    "we shouldn’t have to live in fear.”

    “Put him in a mental institution, put him in a jail, and you guys figure it out. But people having to duck and dive on the trains and the buses, walking through the street, this is one case, but this is happening all across the country, and it's not a money issue.”
    Seems very clear to me given the above comment that it's not killing all homeless people, but rather - the ones that have 14 arrests for violent behavior and stab random refugees on a train.

    But hey - I agree, it was in bad taste, shouldn't have been made.

    Still not TMZ cheering though, is it?

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