Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

I do not watch TMZ, and the reason will be that I deemed them to be to be far left nut jobs. So by my measurement you found a far left radical youtube channel saying shitty things about conservatives. Big whoop, plenty of far right do the same things.

Hold up - TMZ aren't just a radical youtube channel. They are a full on media organization. 232nd most visited website in the US. 80 million mobile app views in a month.

What about Medhi Hassan and Ilhan Omar smiling with joy discussing Charlie's Assassination? Would that suffice?

What I found most telling in your rebuttals, is not one of them addressed my multiple trump

Correct, cause at the moment this isn't about Trump.

I'll respond to the rest of your critique in a separate post - but not now. I'll give you the TL;DR version though - Not been that impressed with the Second Term so far.

[sugilite:Me]

Hold up - TMZ aren't just a radical youtube channel. They are a full on media organization. 232nd most visited website in the US. 80 million mobile app views in a month.

I don't know much about them, just the same type of thing you say to me about fox, who are a right wing media giant.

What about Medhi Hassan and Ilhan Omar smiling with joy discussing Charlie's Assassination? Would that suffice?

Correct, cause at the moment this isn't about Trump.

I'll respond to the rest of your critique in a separate post - but not now. I'll give you the TL;DR version though - Not been that impressed with the Second Term so far.

The trump references I gave were directly related to kirk.
Medhi Hassan - the same guy kirk said should be deported right? Same with Omar yes? Gee I wonder why they were not kirk fans.
Oh, video link of Medhi please, I saw him saying sensible well considered things, I did not see him smiling about it.

[TheDemonLord]

I don't know much about them, just the same type of thing you say to me about fox, who are a right wing media giant.

Different scenario - often it is implied that I am following whatever Fox says - I do not watch Fox. I do not deny they have influence - only that they are not a source I use.

I don't doubt that you don't watch TMZ - I don't either. The point was whether you can find an equivalent established Media brand on the right wing actively cheering for an opponents assassination?

If you cannot, then I think it is fair to say that there is a difference between the Right and Left wings in how common-place/acceptable it is to use Political Violence.

The trump references I gave were directly related to kirk.
Medhi Hassan - the same guy kirk said should be deported right? Same with Omar yes? Gee I wonder why they were not kirk fans.
Oh, video link of Medhi please, I saw him saying sensible well considered things, I did not see him smiling about it.

Deported =/= Murdered.



Time stamp 9:00 - She starts off saying how Mortifying it was... If you watch for about 30 seconds - Look at her facial expression - Does she Mortified to you? Or does she seem like she is suppressing a smile? Listen to her vocal up-ticks, usually associated with Happiness. Look at her big smile when she talks about Malcolm X.

I will say that Medhi was more sombre, I saw a different clip where he was smiling (which I cannot find now) - but happy to retract on Medhi.

[sugilite:Me]

Different scenario - often it is implied that I am following whatever Fox says - I do not watch Fox. I do not deny they have influence - only that they are not a source I use.

I don't doubt that you don't watch TMZ - I don't either. The point was whether you can find an equivalent established Media brand on the right wing actively cheering for an opponents assassination?

If you cannot, then I think it is fair to say that there is a difference between the Right and Left wings in how common-place/acceptable it is to use Political Violence.

I have absolutely seen that sort of stuff from the right on podcasts and youtube channels with subscribers in the millions. I'm mopping up after trumps tariff disaster affecting my business, and don't have much time as I would like to go looking for it all again. My final word on it is, I have seen at least as much if not more more right wing hatred of the left fueled by trump and co, than what I have seen from the left. However, I feel the truth is they are as bad as each other, just in different ways. You won't ever convince me the right are any better than the left, i seen waaaay too much shit.

Time stamp 9:00 - She starts off saying how Mortifying it was... If you watch for about 30 seconds - Look at her facial expression - Does she Mortified to you? Or does she seem like she is suppressing a smile? Listen to her vocal up-ticks, usually associated with Happiness. Look at her big smile when she talks about Malcolm X.

I will say that Medhi was more sombre, I saw a different clip where he was smiling (which I cannot find now) - but happy to retract on Medhi.

I watched it, first with sound off, then on. She was also smiling later in the video when describing issues she faced that were less than optimal for herself. So a bit meh. I personally would not of offered up that video as any sort of gotcha moment.

You have my interest regarding your pending trump comments. Lets start with my earlier question regarding trumps efforts at "Peacemaker" first and try to keep it on one issue at a time.

You are right about the fox host waffling on about lethal injections, specifically for criminally insane types. Which is still really, really bad, as most are criminals because their sickness has not been treated by the terrible US health system. His sorry not sorry speech was particularly pathetic, especially the 2 massive side eye glances as he told 2 big lies.

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[Kickaha]

If you cannot, then I think it is fair to say that there is a difference between the Right and Left wings in how common-place/acceptable it is to use Political Violence.

Yes there is and the right commit more of it, there's multiple studies that show that

[TheDemonLord]

Yes there is and the right commit more of it, there's multiple studies that show that

So, I had a look - because my first thought was 'I bet that includes the Oklahoma city bombing' - and lo and behold it did.

I am not sure you could call Timothy McVeigh 'Right Wing' per se, He was more anti-government (regardless of it's flavour)

But when I went looking - I found how they classified right wing and left wing.

Right (involuntarily celibate ideology, anti-abortion, white supremacist, etc.),

Left (communism, animal rights, environmentalism, anti-white, etc.),

Incel is not a Right Wing philosophy, Anti-Abortion - in the US Context, maybe - but I would counter that usually it is more Religiously motivated, White Supremacy is also not a Right Wing Philosophy (as much as the Left tries to claim it is)

At least with the Left - they've got some actual political philosophies in there.

In short - I think that graph is bunk at best. At worst, I would say it uses a very dubious definition of Right Wing in order to pad the stats to make a point.

Additionally, when I looked for sources of incidents that they used, I was not able to find a full break down - so we could actually look and see who they classified as Right/Left and whether or not their classification was accurate.

[TheDemonLord]

I have absolutely seen that sort of stuff from the right on podcasts and youtube channels with subscribers in the millions.

Suppose I take your word for it (for the moment), I am trying to think of the larger YouTube and Podcast shows that are on the Right - I have seen them express joy at the downfall of prominent figures on the Left (especially when they were hoisted by their own petard) - but not over Deaths. The difference, though, is scale.

A Youtuber, even a professional one that has a team behind them - is not a Media company like TMZ.

I bet if you could be a fly in the wall at say the BBC or the Guardian offices, you'd hear/see the same joy expressed.

I watched it, first with sound off, then on. She was also smiling later in the video when describing issues she faced that were less than optimal for herself. So a bit meh. I personally would not of offered up that video as any sort of gotcha moment.

There was another clip I saw - but I can't find it - but okay, fair you found it Meh.

You have my interest regarding your pending trump comments. Lets start with my earlier question regarding trumps efforts at "Peacemaker" first and try to keep it on one issue at a time.

It's been a bit of a bust on that front, much weaker than I'd hoped. There did seem to be a period where he was getting on top of the Gaza conflict, but then the ceasefire was broken. But I'll expand later.

You are right about the fox host waffling on about lethal injections, specifically for criminally insane types. Which is still really, really bad, as most are criminals because their sickness has not been treated by the terrible US health system. His sorry not sorry speech was particularly pathetic, especially the 2 massive side eye glances as he told 2 big lies.

So, I am going to take a different line on this - we all agree it is in bad taste and it was wrong to say. I want to interrogate why it was said - because I feel that is the more interesting question.

Firstly, whilst that was in the US Context, I see similar sentiments and scenarios happening in the UK, which has a Socialized Health system - so I don't think you can blame Health Care (or lack thereof) for it.

But secondly is the pattern that we see repeated: Someone who objectively should either be in Prison or in a Psych ward has been released back into the Population and committed some grievous act of violence.

And people are tired of this happening.

Most people, right and left want to be compassionate, we want to give people the benefit of the doubt, we want to believe that if we can just show the right amount of kindness that some people will change their ways and become productive members of society.

Everytime that blows up in the collective face, people inch a little bit more towards 'There is no point helping them, they will just do it anyway' - which, if you run that line of thinking to it's ultimate conclusion - you get to the point that the Fox News host said out-loud: "Just kill them"

To be clear - I am not advocating for that position.

[sugilite:Me]

Suppose I take your word for it (for the moment), I am trying to think of the larger YouTube and Podcast shows that are on the Right - I have seen them express joy at the downfall of prominent figures on the Left (especially when they were hoisted by their own petard) - but not over Deaths. The difference, though, is scale.

A Youtuber, even a professional one that has a team behind them - is not a Media company like TMZ.

I bet if you could be a fly in the wall at say the BBC or the Guardian offices, you'd hear/see the same joy expressed.

As would the Right Wing ones. I would likely place more importance on your words if you criticized the never ending hateful rhetoric coming from trump himself on a daily basis. Because of that, it is hard for me not to view your writings on this subject as partisan whining.

It's been a bit of a bust on that front, much weaker than I'd hoped. There did seem to be a period where he was getting on top of the Gaza conflict, but then the ceasefire was broken. But I'll expand later.

bibi and putin have been running rings around trump from the start of this term.

So, I am going to take a different line on this - we all agree it is in bad taste and it was wrong to say. I want to interrogate why it was said - because I feel that is the more interesting question.

Firstly, whilst that was in the US Context, I see similar sentiments and scenarios happening in the UK, which has a Socialized Health system - so I don't think you can blame Health Care (or lack thereof) for it.

I'm going to assume that the NHS has been defunding mental health in a similar way to both political parties here, so I do not agree with your view of the health system has no blame.

To be clear - I am not advocating for that position.

It sure looks like you are building a case for that position!

[Kickaha]

Blah blah blah blah

I looked at four different studies, although the percentages were slightly different they all said the same thing

I thought a picture might be better for those who struggle with words

[TheDemonLord]

I looked at four different studies, although the percentages were slightly different they all said the same thing

I thought a picture might be better for those who struggle with words

Okay - humour me for a second - exactly how is an Incel "Right Wing"?

Start from there.

[Katman]

What if Charlie Kirk was actually taken out by a foreign power?

He was certainly becoming increasingly more vocal in his support of a non-interventionist stance in Middle East politics.

[TheDemonLord]

As would the Right Wing ones. I would likely place more importance on your words if you criticized the never ending hateful rhetoric coming from trump himself on a daily basis. Because of that, it is hard for me not to view your writings on this subject as partisan whining.

So, now that the dust has settled a bit - there is a point going around the internet (I've seen it expressed on multiple sources) that I think is now relevant:

How many Riots did the Assassination of Charlie Kirk cause? How many cities burned? How many mostly peaceful protests?

Therein lies the difference - and I don't think it is mere partisan allegiance.

And yes, there have been rumblings of Civil War - and unless there can be something that allows the Left and Right to re-unite (and maybe this is it, I don't know) those rumblings will grow louder and louder.

I'm going to assume that the NHS has been defunding mental health in a similar way to both political parties here, so I do not agree with your view of the health system has no blame.

The issue I have, is after say the 4th conviction for Violent offences, It's no longer in the realm of Mental Health, is it?

It sure looks like you are building a case for that position!

More like - understanding the problem. And it is very much a problem and unless something addresses it, it is going to get worse as a problem.

There is a certain type of person, in a position of power who is divorced from the consequences of their own compassion. So they go in, do something that makes themselves feel good, pat themselves on the back for being such a good and virtuous person - whilst everyone else suffers for their decision.

"mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent"

[pritch]

The president is supposed to seperate himself from his business interests; they made President Carter sell his peanut farm. Trump though has turned the presidency into a money maker.

The latest is that he plans to sue the Department of Justice for the document searches at Mar a Lago for $115 million. I don't know why he stopped $115 million, as president he can just order the DOJ to pay up and settle. Nice work if you can get it.


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