Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

Strategic location military and trade wise.

Great location for short range attack shooting over nth pole into Russia.
You also have Russia and China heavily investing into artic sea routes with a mix of slightly more ice melt in summer seasons and better ice breaking ships.

The US already has a base in Greenland. There used to be others but the remnants of those are just rusting away.

Global warming is already affecting trade routes in the Arctic with more to come. Scientific research is needed but US Govt science resources have been crippled by Musk and his DOGE crew. The US is also waaaay behind in ice breakers, hugely outnumbered by Russia.

Trump's mention of the Golden Dome seems exceedingly optimistic. He was impressed by Israel's Iron Dome and thought the US should have something similar. The US including Alaska and with Canada covers a huge area compared to Israel. That thought doesn't seem to have occurred to Trump.

[nerrrd]

There's already US troops there I think. They never left after WWII.

Yes, only a couple of hundred now, and they might all be Space Force? Not sure if that base is near the capital though, and there aren't any highways, the only way to get from town to town is by plane, ship or snowmobile apparently.

[husaberg]

The US already has a base in Greenland. There used to be others but the remnants of those are just rusting away.

Global warming is already affecting trade routes in the Arctic with more to come. Scientific research is needed but US Govt science resources have been crippled by Musk and his DOGE crew. The US is also waaaay behind in ice breakers, hugely outnumbered by Russia.

Trump's mention of the Golden Dome seems exceedingly optimistic. He was impressed by Israel's Iron Dome and thought the US should have something similar. The US including Alaska and with Canada covers a huge area compared to Israel. That thought doesn't seem to have occurred to Trump.

You have too have a great laugh at the KB expert R650R spouting now that US needs to have a greenland as miisle base to protect them against Russia when he previously claimed Russia was never going to invade Ukraine.
as well as being incredibly inconstant with his threat assessment of Russia he misles the fact that USA have nuclear weaons in Nato coultries and Greeneland by at it is Denmark territory is is also a NATO ''country aleady''.

It makes a much sens as a libertialan supporting trump as he seeks to ban pornography and abortion drugs...whilst pardoning a guy who was instrumental in importing 500t of Cocaine into the usa. not to mention drug billoinare Ross Ulbricht.

[pritch]

whilst pardoning a guy who was instrumental in importing 500t of Cocaine into the usa. not to mention drug billoinare Ross Ulbricht.

It should be apparent that anything Trump says about drugs should be taken with a pinch of salt. His excuse for blowing up boats in the Caribbean was that they were running drugs, particularly Fentanyl, to the USA. Bollox! Venezuela doesn't export Fentanyl anywhere. They do export cocaine but most Venezuelan product goes to Europe not to the USA.

We should bear that in mind when Trump talks about Greenland. Anything he says about that too should be taken with a liberal pinch of salt.

As per the attachment the stupidity of Trump supporters never loses its ability to surprise - and depress.

[pritch]

I can't help feeling that if he ever gets Greenland Trump will be disappointed that it isn't as big as he thought it was. Having likely only ever seen maps using the Mercator projection which in an effort to represent a globe on a flat surface distorts the size of some land masses including Greenland. Other projections represent land masses more accurately.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah it's not quite as Green as one may expect.

[Memory retention mode activated] Eric the Red (what a name and clearly enamoured with colours) had been banished from Norway for being a dick. Anyhoo he tried to start a new settlement and in Spin that would make a politician proud, Greenland was born. Or presumably the Nordic translation.
This was at the start of a middle ages climate warming and the coastal areas were initially inviting. Even though this wasn't a Norway sanctioned colonisation quite a few people moved there.
It because less hospitable um I'm going to guess 1700ish.

But Norway ended up making it a Protectorate I think.
The Norway and Denmark became one under maybe Queen Margaret. So Greenland became governed by Denmark.

Norway separated at some stage. The WWII disagreement meant the Germans had control of Denmark but Greenland wouldn't fall in line. The Americans put a base there.

So now Greenland has an independency agreement with Denmark but Denmark are kind of mentors. Bit like we are with Rarotonga.

So Denmark can't actually sell Greenland even if it wanted to.

[History Podcast two nights ago memory mode off).

80% of what I wrote is probably close to the historical truth.

The amusing quote i heard with Nato forces going into Greenland was
"It's ironic that the Germans are now here to protect us from the Nazis"

[nerrrd]

It's a fascinating situation. According to an interview I watched with the Danish foreign minister who negotiated the latest treaty, if the US wants to increase it's military footprint in Greenland, yes they have to consult the locals, but the locals can't say no.



Plus the US Navy or coastguard only has one heavy icebreaker. You can't escort shipping safely through the Arctic without icebreakers. They have more on order, guess where from? Finland, their NATO allies.

'The finest in the world': Why the US is buying icebreakers from Finland

I don't think President Trump is working for Putin, I think he wants to be Putin. And to turn the US effectively into Russia.

[F5 Dave]

In the heat of the night
In the heat of the day
When I close my eyes
When I look your way
When I meet the fear that lies inside
When I hear you say
In the heat of the moment
Say, say, say

Some day, some day, some day
Dominion
Come a time
Some day, some day, some day
Dominion
Some say prayers, some say prayers
I say mine

[Verse 2]
In the light of the fact
On the lone and level
Sands stretch far away
In the heat of the action
In the settled dust
Hold, hold and sway
In the meeting of mined
Down in the streets of shame
In the betting of names on gold to rust
In the land of the blind
Be...King, king, king, king

[Chorus]
Some day, some day, some day
Dominion
Come a time
Some day, some day, some day
Dominion
Some say prayers, some say prayers
I say mine

[Instrumental break]

[Bridge]
In the land of the blind
Be...King, king, king, king

[Chorus]
Some day, some day, some day
Dominion
Some say prayers, some say prayers
I say mine

[Verse 1]
In the heat of the night
In the heat of the day
When I close my eyes
When I look your way
When I meet the fear that lies inside
When I hear you say
In the heat of the moment
Say, say, say

[Chorus]
Some day, some day, some day
Dominion
Some say prayers, some say prayers
I say mine
I say mine
I say mine
[Part 2: "Mother Russia"]

[Verse]
We serve an old man in a dry season
A lighthouse keeper in the desert sun
Dreamers of sleepers and white treason
We dream of rain and the history of the gun
There's a lighthouse in the middle of Prussia
A white house in a red square
I'm living in films for the sake of Russia
A Kino Runner for the DDR
And the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
Turn the gold to chrome
Gift...nothing to lose
Stuck inside of Memphis with the mobile home, sing:

[Chorus]
Mother Russia
Mother Russia
Mother Russia rain down down down
Mother Russia
Mother Russia
Mother Russia rain down

[Berries]

Ging gang goolie goolie goolie goolie watcha,
Ging gang goo, ging gang goo.
Ging gang goolie goolie goolie goolie watcha,
Ging gang goo, ging gang goo.
Hayla, hayla shayla, hayla shayla, hayla, ho-oh,
Hayla, hayla shayla, hayla shayla, hayla, oh.
Shally wally, shally wally, shally wally, shally wally
Oompah, oompah, oompah, oompah

[neels]

It would seem the orange one's latest scam combines charging countries to be part of an invented world 'peace' body and making himself unelected ruler of the world.

"Each country will be asked to pay a $1b (NZ$1.73b) permanent membership fee to secure their spot in the nascent organisation"

"Although decisions will be made by a majority vote, the chairman, Trump, will hold final approval and veto power"

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3...is-board-peace

[F5 Dave]

Please make transfers to Trump enterprise holding company. . .

[pritch]

Apparently the Moscow press is praising Trump's moves on Greenland. If he can take Greenland by the US's 250th birthday later this year he'll be historically one of the greatest ever presidents it said. It goes on like that at some length. It's almost as if it was written in the knowledge that someone would be reading it to Trump. They know their man.

[F5 Dave]

I read an opinion piece that stated the Russians goal was to destabilise the west and try neutralise Nato. From the cold war and now with Putin.

And Trump has done that. Russia and China are taking note.

He doesn't even realise how dangerous that is.

[pritch]

At the world economic summit in Davos Treasury Secretary Bessent stated in a FOX interview that the the average US retiree owns between five and twelve houses. This will be news to the average US retiree. At least they'll gain an appreciation as to just how out of touch the guy in charge of their economy is.

[F5 Dave]

Sorry, sorry. I meant Cats. 5 to 12 Cats.
Easy mistake.