Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[Kickaha]

And I have to ask the question: When did enforcing immigration law and deporting people who are not in the country legally become such a controversial subject?

When they stopped allowing Due process as stated in the 5th amendment and started acting like a pack of cunts, detaining US citizens, bullying people, entering homes in breach of the 4th amendment without the correct warrant

What other US administration has acted like this while deporting large numbers ?

[F5 Dave]

TDL would be in support of the Brownshirts.

Keep law and order.


Wait, hold on. Why am I targeted ? he would say as they dragged him off for being a filthy foreigner from a country that invaded the US.

Throw him in Jail.

[F5 Dave]

I implore you please watch this short.
By a Canadian professor. Quick history.

Give it the 2 min


https://youtube.com/shorts/nc0Yx59l_...PmVkXAU2rw4eD6

[BMWST?]

At the world economic summit in Davos Treasury Secretary Bessent stated in a FOX interview that the the average US retiree owns between five and twelve houses. This will be news to the average US retiree. At least they'll gain an appreciation as to just how out of touch the guy in charge of their economy is.

Possibly true if these retirees are personal friends of Bessent. His "speeches" were even less convincing than his boss

[TheDemonLord]

When they stopped allowing Due process as stated in the 5th amendment and started acting like a pack of cunts, detaining US citizens, bullying people, entering homes in breach of the 4th amendment without the correct warrant

What other US administration has acted like this while deporting large numbers ?

To which I say:

"Bullshit"

The people that are agitating on the Left against ICE do not believe any of that. Sure, they will make the argument to appeal to supposed moderates - but they do not believe it.

Case in point - whenever a conservative wanders into these spaces and points out what Obama did (remember him? the person that built the cages?) they criticize him with equal ferocity - with slogans like:

"No one is illegal on Stolen Land"
and
"Borders are racist"

ICE is doing what they are doing and the way they are doing it because there is organized active resistence both at a grass roots level and at the political level - Police Commissioners telling local Police not to help ICE.

[TheDemonLord]

TDL would be in support of the Brownshirts.

Keep law and order.

Wait, hold on. Why am I targeted ? he would say as they dragged him off for being a filthy foreigner from a country that invaded the US.

Throw him in Jail.

Everyone loves to make the Nazi and Fascism comparison. Firstly - it cheapens what happens, secondly it is a form of stochastic terrorism.

There are people I know who sincerely believe that ICE are one step away from Gas Ovens. Do you believe this to be the case?

They will then use that as a rationale to attack them, killing officers.

What do you think happens then?

If it properly kicks off - what happens then?

I'm seeing a lot of anti-gun Leftists suddenly start having an appreciation for 2A - they believe the Tree of Liberty needs watering. That is their right and it is specifically what 2A was for.

What does that path look like though? What is the trail of destruction that is carves?

If this escalates - it will make what ICE is doing look like a picnic - because the side with the majority of Firearms will simply go:

"We asked nicely, we tried to do it the proper way, now we do it the hard way and bugger the consequences"

[nerrrd]

If this escalates - it will make what ICE is doing look like a picnic - because the side with the majority of Firearms will simply go:

"We asked nicely, we tried to do it the proper way, now we do it the hard way and bugger the consequences"

I'd say if the skills of these ICE agents are truly representative of the side with the majority of firearms, they have nothing to fear.

[TheDemonLord]

I'd say if the skills of these ICE agents are truly representative of the side with the majority of firearms, they have nothing to fear.

It's not the ICE Agents I am worried about....

[TheDemonLord]

To add to this - a breakdown I've been waiting for:



For reference - The Wikipedia entry on Richard Hy - AKA Angry Cops

I feel it's a pretty fair and balanced breakdown.

[husaberg]

How many of these has the Trump Defence League used in the latest attempt

Liberterians advocate for open borders and greatly expanded legal immigration, viewing the restriction of voluntary movement as a violation of individual liberty and the non-aggression principle (NAP). They argue that immigration restrictions are costly, immoral, and create "illegal" behaviour, preferring to address labor demand through free markets rather than border walls.


Key Aspects of the stated Libertarian View:
Free Movement and Liberty: Libertarians believe individuals have the right to move, work, and associate freely, and that immigration restrictions require government force (coercion) to stop peaceful, voluntary interaction.
Expanded Legal Immigration:
Rather than focusing on enforcement, libertarians argue for making legal immigration easy and accessible, which would eliminate the concept of "illegal" immigration.
Non-Aggression Principle (NAP):
Many libertarians argue that crossing a border, by itself, does not violate the NAP, and therefore, using violence to deport or prevent entry is improper.
Economic Benefits: Libertarians argue that immigration drives economic growth and that labor demand is the primary driver of migration.
Property Rights Perspective: Some, such as Hans-Hermann Hoppe, argue against unrestricted immigration, framing it as a potential violation of private property rights if it constitutes "forced integration" or trespassing, although this is a minority view among many libertarian proponents of open borders.
Root Causes: Libertarians often support reducing the need to migrate by eliminating trade restrictions and ending the "War on Drugs" to stabilize foreign countries, rather than building wall

Kind of weird trump claims to have libertarian support when his policies directly contrast those started as being core of the libertarian principals
But much like his religious support his actions and obvious blatant moral behaviour seem to not back what the stated principal of religious groups ...

Why is it some conned by a conman or cult is so hard to deprogrammed or get to admit they are wrong

Getting someone out of a cult or away from a con artist is difficult because these situations fundamentally alter a person's reality, using psychological techniques that create profound shame, fear, and dependency. Victims do not just fall for a lie; they are often manipulated into rebuilding their entire lives and belief systems around a leader or a scam.
Admitting they are wrong would mean shattering their own reality and accepting that they have lost everything—money, time, and relationships—based on a false promis

[TheDemonLord]

How many of these has the Trump Defence League used

Which has nothing to do with what is being discussed, because it is not Trump's statements or speeches that are at issue here.

Do try to keep up.

[TheDemonLord]

Libertarians advocate for open borders and greatly expanded legal immigration, viewing the restriction of voluntary movement as a violation of individual liberty and the non-aggression principle (NAP). They argue that immigration restrictions are costly, immoral, and create "illegal" behaviour, preferring to address labor demand through free markets rather than border walls.

Key Aspects of the stated Libertarian View:
Free Movement and Liberty: Libertarians believe individuals have the right to move, work, and associate freely, and that immigration restrictions require government force (coercion) to stop peaceful, voluntary interaction.
Expanded Legal Immigration:
Rather than focusing on enforcement, libertarians argue for making legal immigration easy and accessible, which would eliminate the concept of "illegal" immigration.
Non-Aggression Principle (NAP):
Many libertarians argue that crossing a border, by itself, does not violate the NAP, and therefore, using violence to deport or prevent entry is improper.
Economic Benefits: Libertarians argue that immigration drives economic growth and that labor demand is the primary driver of migration.
Property Rights Perspective: Some, such as Hans-Hermann Hoppe, argue against unrestricted immigration, framing it as a potential violation of private property rights if it constitutes "forced integration" or trespassing, although this is a minority view among many libertarian proponents of open borders.
Root Causes: Libertarians often support reducing the need to migrate by eliminating trade restrictions and ending the "War on Drugs" to stabilize foreign countries, rather than building wall

The funny thing about working in IT - is that you interact with AI generated content and start to get a feel for when something is AI Generated...

So - off I went to run the above text through an AI Detection tool...



It is also curious that your AI generated reply doesn't include the Libertarian discussion between the existence of a Welfare State and Immigration.

[sugilite:Me]

Which has nothing to do with what is being discussed, because it is not Trump's statements or speeches that are at issue here.

Do try to keep up.

My earlier questions too difficult to answer per chance?
Last week i transited through LAX on mt way to Colombia on business, every brown skinned person in the border protection queue was noticibly agitated, the fear was palpable. A libertarian paradise of small government? Pfft

Now be a good chap and address my earler questions instead of just reaching for the low hanging fruit eh. I got plenty more uncomfortable questions for you to address, but lets start with the earler ones eh? Or you can scuttle off for a few weeks again I guess.

[F5 Dave]

Actually that would be preferable. He is on ignore unless you quote him and I've never seen any semblance of a valid argument posted. Just contarian posts and Whataboutism.

[TheDemonLord]

My earlier questions too difficult to answer per chance?
Last week i transited through LAX on mt way to Colombia on business, every brown skinned person in the border protection queue was noticibly agitated, the fear was palpable. A libertarian paradise of small government? Pfft

Now be a good chap and address my earler questions instead of just reaching for the low hanging fruit eh. I got plenty more uncomfortable questions for you to address, but lets start with the earler ones eh? Or you can scuttle off for a few weeks again I guess.

Honestly - I missed the earlier questions - lots of big life things happening.

The whole Minnesota ICE thing though has really been tragically interesting to watch.

When there is video and neither side can agree on whether a vehicle hit a person - I'm reminded of the Orwell quote:

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command

You say people are scared - I, too, have seen people scared online - why? because they believe the most outlandish and sensationalized version of events that have been pushed by the overwhelmingly left-wing media.

Perhaps if they stopped lying, selectively editing clips and showed the imagery that ran counter to their narrative - maybe those people might not be scared?

And it bears repeating - the people that are protesting ICE - are not doing so because they think ICE is a legitimate organization that is overeaching in it's mandate or being too heavy handed.

They are protesting because they want to get rid of ICE all together.

The problem thus becomes this:

If there is no grace from the opposition for holding a moderate position - and you are treated like an extremist for doing so, why would you not hold an extremist position?