Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

Things that could bite you on the arse... The latest from the fuckwit in chief is that the US military will occupy Gaza, clear it and develop it as a waterfront property. The Palestinians will be moved out to Egypt or Jordan neither of which want them or anywhere. Nobody has consulted the Palestinians about this.

[neels]

Ah - but that is using Percentages, not absolute numbers -

Fair point. Percentages can be misleading, as can only using part of the data for absolute numbers.

So, in actual numbers;
The number of people of voting age increased in line with continuing trend.
The number of republican votes increased, as would be expected with increase in people of voting age.

But;
The increase in number of eligible voters did not track the number of people of voting age in line with the previous trend
Along with a 2% lower voter turnout this meant the total number of votes cast decreased for the first time in 20 years
Oddly, this unusually reduced increase in eligible voters and decrease in total votes cast appears to have only affected the democrat vote.

That should be plenty for a conspiracy theorist to get started with.

[TheDemonLord]

Fair point. Percentages can be misleading, as can only using part of the data for absolute numbers.

So, in actual numbers;
The number of people of voting age increased in line with continuing trend.
The number of republican votes increased, as would be expected with increase in people of voting age.

But;
The increase in number of eligible voters did not track the number of people of voting age in line with the previous trend
Along with a 2% lower voter turnout this meant the total number of votes cast decreased for the first time in 20 years
Oddly, this unusually reduced increase in eligible voters and decrease in total votes cast appears to have only affected the democrat vote.

That should be plenty for a conspiracy theorist to get started with.

If you exclude the 2020 results as an outlier - does the above still stand (e.g. comparing 2016 and 2024) - I havent run that analysis, so am interest in if it still tracks.

[TheDemonLord]

Things that could bite you on the arse... The latest from the fuckwit in chief is that the US military will occupy Gaza, clear it and develop it as a waterfront property. The Palestinians will be moved out to Egypt or Jordan neither of which want them or anywhere. Nobody has consulted the Palestinians about this.

Any word on why Egypt or Jordan dont want them...

So - I watched the speech, it is typical Trumpian grand statements - but the reporting on it is wildly dishonest.

He talks about first clearing out damaged buildings, then dealing with unexploded ordinance, then rebuilding it for the people that live there.

Now - some might think that this means Israeli settlers that will move in - but he never said that. It sounds like to me that he wants to move everyone out, like you would a building site, then once it is finished, allow people to move back in.

Personally - I think this is not a great idea - but I have a suspicion that there are some ulterior motives at play. Lots of commentators pointing to Netenyahu physically reacting to when Trump said the US will own it.

If the US owns it, then Israel doesnt.

But more likely... This is some public bluster that will get all the various parties second-guessing themselves in preparation for when the actual negotiations take place.

[husaberg]

Things that could bite you on the arse... The latest from the fuckwit in chief is that the US military will occupy Gaza, clear it and develop it as a waterfront property. The Palestinians will be moved out to Egypt or Jordan neither of which want them or anywhere. Nobody has consulted the Palestinians about this.

Few people raise questions on why Egypt actually blockades gazza themselves or how it was actually Jordan that stole most of palestine land from Palestine . yet its israel that gets blamed for stealing palestine's land. (yes I am aware that israel then stole some of Jordan and Egypt during wars ), But they gave back the Sinai to egypt they won in a war after Egypt formally recognized them.
Jordan gave up claims on the land they annexed from palestine in the late 80's
but in between the late 40 and 88 when they gave up claims to the west bank, they gave the Palestinians full citizenship of Jordan.

[pritch]

Meanwhile in Italy... Trump Junior has been duck shooting. That's interesting because apparently the law in Italy says only Italians can hunt in Italy. It seems there may be sound reasons for that. After his shoot Junior filmed his bag while commenting that it had been a great shoot. One of the dead "ducks" though was a rare, protected, sheldrake. politicians and prosecutors want to prosecute. They had better watch out though there will be tariffs.

[sugilite:Me]

But;
The increase in number of eligible voters did not track the number of people of voting age in line with the previous trend
Along with a 2% lower voter turnout this meant the total number of votes cast decreased for the first time in 20 years
Oddly, this unusually reduced increase in eligible voters and decrease in total votes cast appears to have only affected the democrat vote.

That should be plenty for a conspiracy theorist to get started with.

Cheers for the informative numbers and chart.
This marries up perfectly with what I was watching on a youtube channel that was "attempting" to track the countless voter suppression wars the magas were pushing in mostly the swing states over the last 4 years. Long story short, there were so many they were overwhelmed trying to track them all.
Not much conspiracy theory mongering to be done with that level of correlated evidence being supplied. Unlike 2016 where trump legitimately won, this time around he is an illegitimate "president" that had to do it with fraud - color me shocked. Anyways, those facts are certainly more compelling than recent desperate attempts at pulling in unrelated countries migration situations and a single crop harvested hundreds of years ago when the USA had a fraction of the population it has now - all in service to prop up an ill conceived and debunked deport them all first plan

[nerrrd]

So now the US is going to ‘own’ Gaza? How long is this latest revelation going to last I wonder, and what’s the incredible ‘win’ President Trump is going for here…

The US is going to take over Gaza, no really

[Berries]

He talks about first clearing out damaged buildings, then dealing with unexploded ordinance, then rebuilding it for the people that live there.

Now - some might think that this means Israeli settlers that will move in - but he never said that. It sounds like to me that he wants to move everyone out,

I wonder if he will use special trains to do that.

If no other countries will accept the Palestinians I guess Trump could make some temporary camps and off load them there. Certainly looks like that is the final solution Netenyahu is after.

[nerrrd]

Help I could understand, which might even be welcome, but ‘own’? Unless he means ‘own’ as in ‘owning the libs’? Or ‘own’ as in ‘take responsibility for’, given the source of a lot of the ordinance used is the US.

Words should matter.

[TheDemonLord]

Help I could understand, which might even be welcome, but ‘own’? Unless he means ‘own’ as in ‘owning the libs’? Or ‘own’ as in ‘take responsibility for’, given the source of a lot of the ordinance used is the US.

Words should matter.

If I put my Theory hat for a moment - no one can do anything with that bit of land without laying a solid ownership claim on it.

But my thoughts on this is that this is Trumpian hand grenade. It may be a Dud, it may be a Flashbang, it may be a Frag. We dont know - but what I am more-and-more becoming convinced of, is that this is part of some ploy.

To what end, I do not know - maybe it is to force Israels hand - but I feel this is more aimed at the likes of Saudi Arabia.

We shall see.

I did read a BBC article that I felt was 90 percent rubbish - except for a couple of lines talking about Trump coveting a Noble Peace prize - and if he can achieve some meaningful positive change in the Middle East (on top of what he has already done) - then objectively he would be eligible for it.

One wonders.

[F5 Dave]

I wonder if he will use special trains to do that.

If no other countries will accept the Palestinians I guess Trump could make some temporary camps and off load them there. Certainly looks like that is the final solution Netenyahu is after.

Oohh you are terrible.

So who would be terribly surprised if that crackpot idea was enacted. I mean like suspend belief that the Palastines a group a a similar size to our whole country, said Heck yeah. Let's move to a place where we have no birthright or claim to legitimacy. . . And that other countries would take them. I mean Heck. Trumbf is trying to get rid of people from other countries.
Anyway. Who would be surprised if Trumbf in 5 years said, OK Israel, how bout you hold the tiller. Giving them exactly what they wanted.


Ohh. Shocking. Duh!

[Berries]

It just seems to me that Trump wants to help out with the genocide even more than just selling all the bullets and the bombs.

Not that he will be around in five years.

Interesting read here about the coup that Musk has carried out, and before anyone asks I have no idea who the author is, whether he is left or right or who he votes for and I don't care. i just thought it was an interesting perspective on the whole very unusual Musk issue.

of-course-its-a-coup

[sugilite:Me]

That perspective is very difficult to fault. Thank you for posting that.

[nerrrd]

If I put my Theory hat for a moment - no one can do anything with that bit of land without laying a solid ownership claim on it.

But my thoughts on this is that this is Trumpian hand grenade. It may be a Dud, it may be a Flashbang, it may be a Frag. We dont know - but what I am more-and-more becoming convinced of, is that this is part of some ploy.

To what end, I do not know - maybe it is to force Israels hand - but I feel this is more aimed at the likes of Saudi Arabia.

We shall see.

I did read a BBC article that I felt was 90 percent rubbish - except for a couple of lines talking about Trump coveting a Noble Peace prize - and if he can achieve some meaningful positive change in the Middle East (on top of what he has already done) - then objectively he would be eligible for it.

One wonders.

I hope it’s a ploy, but surely there’s only so many times you can feint before your opponents begin to catch on. Then what?