Trump

[pritch]

Interesting. The Washington Post are reporting that some of the material that was targeted in the search of Mar a Lago related to nuclear matters. That's behind a paywall but there will be lots of coverage elsewhere. What makes it so interesting is that it opens up options for the Justice Dept. It's not just unlawful possession of documents. It could be a range of charges up to espionage depending on the nature of the material.

Presidents can declassify secret documents, but even presidents cannot declassify anything related to nuclear power or weapons.

This doesn't come entirely out of the blue. There were those who considered Jared Kushner was providing nuclear information to his buddy MBS in Saudi Arabia.

The Attorney General has applied to the court to release the details of the search warrant. Trump says he will not oppose the release of information. Then again he did say he'd release his tax returns...

[F5 Dave]

When you are compromised you are compromised.

Queue some moronic apologist posting. Please don't quote it. Makes me just a bit more stupid every time I read it.

[pzkpfw]

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The Attorney General has applied to the court to release the details of the search warrant. Trump says he will not oppose the release of information. Then again he did say he'd release his tax returns...

[S](What I read commented elsewhere is that ...) he will publicly say he'll not oppose it, but privately tell his lawyers to fight like hell. Seems likely.[/S]

Edit: oh, events moved way quicker than that.

[pritch]

If there are any papers pertaining to matters nuclear that makes Trump's situation more serious. The Justice Dept aren't saying yet but Trump has. Trump has posted, without eveidence of course, that Obama removed millions of documents, “How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!”

By now everybody should be aware of Trump's predeliction for projection. His accusation that Obama removed nuclear documents can be seen as an admission that some of his documents illegally in his possession are nuclear related. Possibly "lots" of them.


And on a lighter note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O_HLVyEObA

[Laava]

Can't imagine the billowy orange cunt even pronouncing "nuclear".

[husaberg]

If there are any papers pertaining to matters nuclear that makes Trump's situation more serious. The Justice Dept aren't saying yet but Trump has. Trump has posted, without eveidence of course, that Obama removed millions of documents, “How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!”

By now everybody should be aware of Trump's predeliction for projection. His accusation that Obama removed nuclear documents can be seen as an admission that some of his documents illegally in his possession are nuclear related. Possibly "lots" of them.


And on a lighter note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O_HLVyEObA

Can't imagine the billowy orange cunt even pronouncing "nuclear".

Those nuke documents trump stole were needed for his ground breaking research into stopping hurricanes

i predict it will all blow over......

[R650R]

Some great comments and perspectives in this interview.... the salient fact being there are very few true secrets pertaining to nuke technology these days, even the Iranians are making their own... not to mention Stone Age nth Korea.
Apparently everything about former President is classified information once he leaves office including biscuits dinner menu. Declassifying anything is responsibility of office of national archives which is apparently undefunded and understaffed. Typically it takes 20-25 years for even mundane stuff to be opened up....

[TheDemonLord]

I've yet to watch the legal analysis of this from LawTube - it's a several hours long deep dive into the publicly available info (such as the warrant etc.) however, perhaps the best point so far - since the left are jumping up and down on claiming 'Nuclear', is this:

The Government would never lie to us about WMDs

[pritch]

Some great comments and perspectives in this interview.... the salient fact being there are very few true secrets pertaining to nuke technology these days, even the Iranians are making their own... not to mention Stone Age nth Korea.
Apparently everything about former President is classified information once he leaves office including biscuits dinner menu. Declassifying anything is responsibility of office of national archives which is apparently undefunded and understaffed. Typically it takes 20-25 years for even mundane stuff to be opened up....

That's a very umm coloured piece. He is very misleading and some of what he said is just not true. Trump had receieved multiple subpoenas and ignored them all. Nobody else would have even received one, there would have just been a knock at the door. Reality Winner provided one document confrming Russian interference in the 2016 US election and she got five years jail.

Sky News is owned by Murdoch and it's very bit as reliable as FOX which he also owns. If you watch that shit it will rot your brain.

Trump has already claimed that he declassified everything as he removed it, but that's bullshit because although the president has wide powers to declassify documents, there is a process. Even the president can't declassify anything nuclear related. We can now presume he is being investigated for espionage. Sadly we can probably also safely assume no charges will eventuate.

[husaberg]

Trump has already claimed that he declassified everything as he removed it, but that's bullshit because although the president has wide powers to declassify documents, there is a process. Even the president can't declassify anything nuclear related. We can now presume he is being investigated for espionage. Sadly we can probably also safely assume no charges will eventuate.

haha
The very fact he claimed to have declassified the documents (something he clearly can't do) proves he removed classified documents,
To everyone bar the trumpers.

[TheDemonLord]

Probably the most level breakdown, he also does a half hour look at the Search Warrant - note, nothing in the Search Warrant mentions Nuclear.

Also his initial actions of returning boxes of documents to the National Archives does somewhat fly in the face of 'Trump didn't comply'

My initial thoughts on the raid were highly skeptical - this looks more and more like a malicious application of rules.

Funny that.

[R650R]

. We can now presume he is being investigated for espionage. Sadly we can probably also safely assume no charges will eventuate.

I’m very happy that you are of enough rational though to come to that realisation so early in the latest saga of what “might” happen to Trump.

An interestingly comment elsewhere was the opinion that the search warrant was merely to try and provoke the Maga crowd into a mainly peaceful protest. Even if there was only half the amount of mainly peaceful protests as the BLM events it would be enough for Biden administration to implement martial law and go full banana republic.

[husaberg]

May 2021
An official from NARA contacts Trump's team after realizing that several important documents weren't handed over before Trump left the White House. In hopes of locating the missing items, NARA lawyer Gary Stern reaches out to someone who served in the White House counsel's office under Trump, who was the point of contact for recordkeeping matters. The missing documents include some of Trump's correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, as well as the map of Hurricane Dorian that Trump infamously altered with a sharpie pen.

January 2022
After months of discussions with Trump's team, NARA retrieves 15 boxes of Trump White House records from Mar-a-Lago. NARA says in a statement that some of the records it received at the end of Trump's administration were "torn up by former President Trump," and that White House officials had to tape them back together. Not all the torn-up documents were reconstructed, NARA says. The boxes contained some materials that were part of "special access programs," known as SAP, which is a classification that includes protocols to significantly limit who would have access to the information.

February 9, 2022
News outlets, including CNN, report that NARA asked the Justice Department to investigate Trump's handling of White House records and whether he violated the Presidential Records Act and other laws related to classified information. The Presidential Records Act requires all records created by a sitting president to be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administration.

February 18, 2022
NARA informs the Justice Department that some of the documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago included classified material. NARA also tells the department that, despite being warned it was illegal, Trump tore up documents while he was president, and that senior officials in the Trump administration did not properly preserve their social media messages, draft tweets and deleted tweets.

June 3, 2022
Four investigators, including a top Justice Department counterintelligence official, visit Mar-a-Lago seeking more information about classified material that had been taken to Florida. The four investigators meet with Trump's attorneys and look around the basement room where the documents are being stored. Trump briefly stops by the meeting to say hello to the officials, but he does not answer any questions. During the meeting, the federal officials serve a grand jury subpoena for some of the sensitive national security documents on the premises, and they take away the subpoenaed documents.

June 22, 2022
Federal investigators serve a subpoena to the Trump Organization, demanding surveillance video from Mar-a-Lago. Trump's company complies with the subpoena and turns over the footage. CNN has reported that this was part of an effort to gather information about who had access to areas at the club where government documents were stored. The subpoena was served on June 22, according to The Wall Street Journal.

August 12, 2022
Federal Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart approves the unsealing of the Mar-a-Lago search warrant and its property receipt, at the Justice Department's request and after Trump's lawyers agree to the release. The warrant reveals the Justice Department is looking into possible violations of the Espionage Act, obstruction of justice and criminal handling of government records, as part of its investigation.

On Friday evening 12th August , Trump’s camp sent a statement to Fox News elaborating on that defense.
“As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different,” the statement read.

It continued: “President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents, including classified documents, to the residence. He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them.”

FBI agents took more than 20 boxes of material along with other items labeled top secret. Some were even described as “various classified/TS/SCI documents,” using the abbreviation for “sensitive compartmented information.” Such information is supposed to be viewed in a special, secure facility called a SCIF.

[F5 Dave]

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Sky News is owned by Murdoch and it's very bit as reliable as FOX which he also owns. If you watch that shit it will rot your brain.

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Don't waste your breath R666 has already rotted his brain. Probably not an impressive organ to start with. Is capable of keeping him breathing while asleep. So, you know, isn't quite as stupid as silly putty. Congratulations.

[Grumph]

There's a quote from John Kelly somewhere in one of the recent books. Security adviser and then Chief of Staff. He had his moment of revelation I think around the withholding of support for Ukraine but it's revealing anyway...."With you it all comes back to Putin, doesn't it" Quoted by one of the staff present. Kelly didn't last much longer in the job after that.