Trump

[Grumph]

It could also be that there was a little extra help, going one way.

There you come up against the awkward fact of the Republican gains in the Senate...

The very same ballots which gave them that also gave Biden his win.

I can of course point out the local anomaly as a precedent - where the rural electorates went Labour for the party vote. It happens.

What is amusing now is the Georgia runoffs. Trump and his lawyers are screaming unfair election and encouraging his supporters to write him or others in on the ballots - or abstain.
Which will give the two Senate seats to the Democrats.
Trump now couldn't give a flying fuck for the GOP - he's simply Trump first. Losing the Senate would be "nothing to do with me"

The only one screaming vote is Don jnr who at least still feels some loyalty to the GOP.

[TheDemonLord]

OK, a little hard to believe you would not have seen the reports, so to fill you in, Trump, the guy you attribute a lot of intelligence too has not been able to put together a legal team that is in any way shape or form competent. The win loss ratio is now at something like 34/2. Obviously Trump has vaaaaaaaaaast experience in litigation. The laughable mis-steps, and the following are just limited highlights, - holding a news press conference in a landscaping car park between a porn shop and a crematorium, Announcing one of their lawyers as part of their "strike force" team, then pretending she was not part of their team a few days later, despite her being featured very prominently in the now notorious Rudy hair dye meltdown press conference. I'll not begin to cover that this team has gone into case after case with no real evidence. Seems your guy just cannot put a good team together huh?

I've seen a lot of hot air and lawyer-ing, which I don't put too much faith in, Porn Shops or Strike Forces or 32/2 - It's not my area of concern.

The Numbers are.

My own feeling is, if the cunning crafty dems had had a team of election tamperers that were so bloody good at their jobs the poor old GOP could not bring a single smoking gun piece of evidence to the table, then why would the same crack dem team not of also used the same methods to win the senate elections? Looks to me like the GOP is going to hold onto that and McConnell will carry on his knee capping ways.

That's an excellent question - and unfortunately, the most likely answer doesn't look good for Biden - if you were busy forging a large number of Ballots to ensure Biden won, you wouldn't want to waste time in also selecting the correct Democratic representative.

Speaking of which - I've yet to confirm the numbers - but I've heard that the average number of Down-Ballots for Trump was around 1-2% (If you vote Trump, you're likely to vote for a Republican senator also), the Down-Ballot numbers for Biden were 30% (not sure if that was nationally or only focussed on Swing states) - and if true, That's yet one more massive statistical outlier that is odd.

[TheDemonLord]

There you come up against the awkward fact of the Republican gains in the Senate...

The very same ballots which gave them that also gave Biden his win.

Well, that's not entirely true, is it.

As above - these seems to be a large number of Ballots cast for Biden with no representative selected. Assuming for the moment that everything is as it should be with the election, the absence of people voting for a Democratic senator is what gave the Republicans their win, not cross-voting.

As for the other part, Under MMP it's not entirely uncommon to see cross-party voting (for example, Party vote for Act, Local candidate National), or in your case - a lot of people giving their Party vote to Labour.

People crossing the floor with their vote (e.g. party vote national, candidate vote Labour or similar) is a lot rarer.

[pritch]

Looks to me like the GOP is going to hold onto that and McConnell will carry on his knee capping ways.

We can but hope. Both of the Georgia Republican Senate candidates: Loeffler and Perdue, are considered to be insider traders. Following a secure briefing in January on the likely effects of the upcoming pandemic both sold milions of dollars worth of stock in companies that would be adversely affected and bought shares in other businesses. The trades were the subject of an investigation by the FBI.

In that debate I posted earlier Perdue's oponent, Ossoff, called him a crook to his face. Perdue will not debate Ossoff again.

Loeffler has not been in the Senate all that long, she was appointed by the governor, not elected.

This is all common knowledge among the people who will be voting. The Republicans are an unlovely couple of candidates, and that may work to the advantage of the Democrats. Or not.

Winning one Senate seat will not do it for the Democrats, they need to win both or they will have a miserable four years.

[pritch]

That's yet one more massive statistical outlier that is odd.

You keep ignoring the fact (as quoted by most of the officials) that voter fraud in the US is virtually non existent. Just because Trump is banging on about it endlessly - at 23,000 lies and counting - is no reason for any reasonable person to be concerned. Trump is addressing the low information part of the populace. The ones who believed Hillary was running a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza shop which didn't even have a basement. The rest of us will ignore it.

Over thirty court cases and zero evidence of voter fraud by the Democrats. Anyone who has not yet caught on is seriously slow on the uptake.

[TheDemonLord]

You keep ignoring the fact (as quoted by most of the officials) that voter fraud in the US is virtually non existent. Just because Trump is banging on about it endlessly - at 23,000 lies and counting - is no reason for any reasonable person to be concerned. Trump is addressing the low information part of the populace. The ones who believed Hillary was running a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza shop which didn't even have a basement. The rest of us will ignore it.

Over thirty court cases and zero evidence of voter fraud by the Democrats. Anyone who has not yet caught on is seriously slow on the uptake.

The Officials can make statement till they are blue in the face.

Same with the lawyers.

Same with Trump.

Same with Biden.

I'll grant you every single statement that you wish to call a lie, as a lie.

The Numbers are where there are a myriad of oddities.

Oddities that at the very least warrant an investigation and explanation. I gave 3 in my opening point about this - It seems the information from Pennsylvania about the number of ballots sent out by mail vs the number that were counted should be added to that.

700,000 discrepancy based on public information - that's 10% of the vote in that state, I think that merits some investigation.

As above with one of the Twitter 'Debunks' on a claim - if the Twitter user is correct - then one aspect of the Election has not occurred in the last 100 years (excluding a result where there is doubt on the legitimacy), even if that is included - it's still only 3 times in 250 years, pretty rare and pretty exceptional.

[pritch]

Oh! And Trump wants to bring back firing squads.

[Viking01]

Oh! And Trump wants to bring back firing squads.

As in "you're fired" ?

[pritch]

As in "you're fired" ?

No, as in bullets. "Bang! You're dead."

At first I thought Trump hadn't thought this through. If there's a god he should be the first customer. Quarter of a million dead and counting, yet still he does nothing.

A few years ago the (Danish?) manufacturer of the drug the US used for lethal injections banned export of the drug to countries that used it thus. The various US states tried to reverse engineer the drug with limited success. There have been some horrendous executions, people in agony, others toook ages to die. It has finally dawned on somebody that what they are doing is not working. Trump to the rescue, bring back firing squads - and the electric chair.

There is, however, another possibility that hasn't yet occurred to the simple minded, inbred, fuck ups...




That may seem a bit strong but I'm still on my first glass of wine.

[Kickaha]

The kraken has been unleashed. Sidney Powell claims she has filed her case against the election of Joe Biden.

But she's not on Trumps expert lawyer team anymore ? Is this something she's doing on her own ?

Oh! And Trump wants to bring back firing squads.

He'd end up in front of one

[nerrrd]

...I'll grant you every single statement that you wish to call a lie, as a lie.

The Numbers are where there are a myriad of oddities...

“Lies, damn lies and statistics”?

[husaberg]

No, as in bullets. "Bang! You're dead."

At first I thought Trump hadn't thought this through. If there's a god he should be the first customer. Quarter of a million dead and counting, yet still he does nothing.

A few years ago the (Danish?) manufacturer of the drug the US used for lethal injections banned export of the drug to countries that used it thus. The various US states tried to reverse engineer the drug with limited success. There heve been some horrendous executions, people in agony, others toook ages to die. It has finally dawned on somebody that what they are doing is not working. Trump to the rescue, bring back firing squads - and the electric chair.

There is, however, another possibility that hasn't yet occurred to the simple minded, inbred, fuck ups...




That may seem a bit strong but I'm still on my first glass of wine.

Isn't treason still a capital offense in the USA?

Trump will never admit he's lost

[pritch]

Isn't treason still a capital offense in the USA?

Yeah. this is an example of where the ignorant will waffle about "hot air." Or could actually try and learn something.

During the trial of General Flynn the judge became exasperated and asked why Flynn shouldn't be charged with treason. You have to consider though, that even in legal cricles, treason is not something that regularly crops up in conversation. The US law of teason requires an actual enemy. At the moment there is not one such, the US has not actualy declared war on anybody.
Therefore nobody can be charged with treason, even if, like Trump, they are guilty as Hell.

[SaferRides]

The Officials can make statement till they are blue in the face.

Same with the lawyers.

Same with Trump.

Same with Biden.

I'll grant you every single statement that you wish to call a lie, as a lie.

The Numbers are where there are a myriad of oddities.

Oddities that at the very least warrant an investigation and explanation. I gave 3 in my opening point about this - It seems the information from Pennsylvania about the number of ballots sent out by mail vs the number that were counted should be added to that.

700,000 discrepancy based on public information - that's 10% of the vote in that state, I think that merits some investigation.
.

I would question that information. It is difficult to believe that the state election people didn't notice the discrepancy.

What is the source?

[husaberg]

Yeah. this is an example of where the ignorant will waffle about "hot air." Or could actually try and learn something.

During the trial of General Flynn the judge became exasperated and asked why Flynn shouldn't be charged with treason. You have to consider though, that even in legal circles, treason is not something that regularly crops up in conversation. The US law of treason requires an actual enemy. At the moment there is not one such, the US has not actually declared war on anybody.
Therefore nobody can be charged with treason, even if, like Trump, they are guilty as Hell.

i was being somewhat flippant, but if they have found he has made statements or changed the foreign policy so as not to be in the best interests of the USA is he was being blackmailed or bribed n regards to Syria or turkey, and Russia. Surely it's still treason.

i had a look and interesting stuff
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?...2C000%3B%20and

§2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death

that's an or rather then an AND.

§2382. Misprision of treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

§2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

§2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.