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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    Insider knowledge told me the reason they went Holden over BMW last car tender wasn't cause Holden were cheaper (they weren't when purchase & service was accounted) but because Holden was perceived by public as cheaper.
    They didn't want the general public thinking they were wasting tax money so they wasted tax money to achieve that look
    I remember the fuss created when crown cars were bought (BMWs). Perception is sometimes more powerful than reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    For the cars at least there is a shit ton of customisation and requirements you just wouldn't think of. To have a considered conversation here would be to miss reams of considerations.

    The brakes for example, sheesh..
    Roads policing units (RPU) in UK are mostly BMWs, they would have been a manufacturer who does them already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    For the cars at least there is a shit ton of customisation and requirements you just wouldn't think of. To have a considered conversation here would be to miss reams of considerations.

    The brakes for example, sheesh..
    A guy of my acquaintance, fomer MOT and a relatively recent Police retiree, was telling me that the Holden police cars are nothing special, except especially cheap. NZ Police do not have "pursuit cars," what they have is similar to a budget model taxi.

    If a sevice network is desireable it'll pretty much have to be Toyota or Ford as already pointed out. Whatever they buy, blaming the PM would be a stretch, she's not the minister of police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Servicing is one thing ... but probably NOT during the warranty periods. Most towns of any size have Government contract garages. But there are plenty of areas in the North AND South islands that are a long way from any such contracted garages.

    For the numbers of vehicles involved in the vehicle purchase requirements ... the price paid would be substantially lower than normal retail costs. What YOU think 'Financial Sense" would be ... might vary a bit without knowing all the various financial costing's in the contract. Or even full details of the contract. Both of which will be unlikely to be publicized ... for "Commercial Sensitivity " reasoning.

    Financial and logical sense may not even be applicable in the Jacinda led Government contract reasoning. Lada's ... ???


    Time will tell.

    Servicing clauses in the purchase contract might likely feature as well. Transporter costs to remoter places will often occur for replacement vehicles (delivery of one and removal of the other). Be it for repair or service.
    I am going off some insider knowledge here, but its hearsay so ya never know.

    Time will tell, I'm just greatful they'll be ditching the thirsty Holdens, though the recent batch of fwd turbo jobbies they went to was apparently much more economical, faster but not as stable at high speed (according to the cop who was finger printing at my house)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autech View Post
    I am going off some insider knowledge here, but its hearsay so ya never know.

    Time will tell, I'm just greatful they'll be ditching the thirsty Holdens, though the recent batch of fwd turbo jobbies they went to was apparently much more economical, faster but not as stable at high speed (according to the cop who was finger printing at my house)
    Even Plod on the beat ... or even your fingerprinting mate ... are not privy to ... or have much in the way of "Final say" ... in the vehicle procurement process. I would say ... Public image of Police, end Price of each vehicle ... and practicality of the vehicles and suitability for their end use ... would be the base of vehicle purchase requirements. And probably assessed in that order too.

    Currently ... marked Police vehicles on transporter trucks are a common (although not excessively so) sight on NZ roads ... even with Dealerships in most (if not all) large towns and/or cities. Not all such vehicles seen are noticeably bent or buckled. So other reasons for their movement must be there. Reasons that possibly outstrip the resources, abilities and equipment available at the local service center ... where (or near) the respective vehicle was based. Or ... just simply repositioning Police resources. Something that would be still required REGARDLESS of Manufacturer.

    You might not have noticed ... but "High Speed" Police chases are fast going (if not already gone) out of fashion/Political correctness ... so that is no longer any real factor in the great scheme of things. Police view of the Public's Health & Safety requirements ... will let more ass-wipes go free. Free to try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeper View Post
    I remember the fuss created when crown cars were bought (BMWs). Perception is sometimes more powerful than reality.
    With the ongoing Pandemic ... International NEW vehicle sales will have dropped considerably. Any large number item of vehicle purchase announced ... will attract some very interested manufacturers to line up with their products. Especially if the vehicles are already built ... and just awaiting the ability to sell them ... and a paying customer wanting to buy them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post

    You might not have noticed ... but "High Speed" Police chases are fast going (if not already gone) out of fashion/Political correctness ... so that is no longer any real factor in the great scheme of things. Police view of the Public's Health & Safety requirements ... will let more ass-wipes go free. Free to try again.
    Out of sight out of mind but record numbers here in the bay. The smart cops develop “radio trouble” when offenders start going too fast.
    My neighbour has a scanner and it’s a VERY regular source of entertainment here.
    Our police district doesn’t really talk to our poor excuse for a newspaper so heaps of stuff happens that doesn’t make the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Scottoilers or similar being fitted.
    They run out of oil quite frequently

    Quote Originally Posted by Autech View Post
    I'm almost certain that every time a car needs an oil change in *insert small town here* the Police don't want to be paying to put it on a transporter to go to the nearest larger city (or paying someone to drive it there) to get it serviced.

    That's just thick.
    Police don't pay if everything is under lease. It's not their problem. For the bikes at least, there is very often one at the dealership, and the cop swaps over, dropping one off and collecting another. Also good for when something unexpected happens to one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    Even Plod on the beat ... or even your fingerprinting mate ... are not privy to ... or have much in the way of "Final say" ... in the vehicle procurement process. I would say ... Public image of Police, end Price of each vehicle ... and practicality of the vehicles and suitability for their end use ... would be the base of vehicle purchase requirements. And probably assessed in that order too.

    Currently ... marked Police vehicles on transporter trucks are a common (although not excessively so) sight on NZ roads ... even with Dealerships in most (if not all) large towns and/or cities. Not all such vehicles seen are noticeably bent or buckled. So other reasons for their movement must be there. Reasons that possibly outstrip the resources, abilities and equipment available at the local service center ... where (or near) the respective vehicle was based. Or ... just simply repositioning Police resources. Something that would be still required REGARDLESS of Manufacturer.

    You might not have noticed ... but "High Speed" Police chases are fast going (if not already gone) out of fashion/Political correctness ... so that is no longer any real factor in the great scheme of things. Police view of the Public's Health & Safety requirements ... will let more ass-wipes go free. Free to try again.
    My information doesn't come from the plod btw, that was just his remarks on the new Holden cars they got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeper View Post
    I remember the fuss created when crown cars were bought (BMWs). Perception is sometimes more powerful than reality.

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    Yea but they also never help themselves by just fronting up & blatantly saying "these cars were the cheaper option"... That's all people want to hear
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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Its the chain that's really interesting. First chain on a cop bike in a very long time.
    1987/8 Tamaki City Council Traffic department with their Honda VFR700F . No Panniers just a pack on the back ,flashing lights and siren and radio. Later taken over by MOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWGSER View Post
    1987/8 Tamaki City Council Traffic department with their Honda VFR700F . No Panniers just a pack on the back ,flashing lights and siren and radio. Later taken over by MOT.
    Thise we’re the days ... NCC had 2L Nissan bluebirds 😂😂😂😂😂
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    I wonder if this is what the Federales are getting? Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george formby View Post
    I wonder if this is what the Federales are getting? Nice.

    https://advrider.com/yamaha-tracer-9...ious-upgrades/
    Looks like it. Factory Police specials though, so the electronics will likely be different.

    Factory Police bikes normally have a different wiring loom than the civilian version, to accommodate the bells, whistles, radio etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    For the numbers of vehicles involved in the vehicle purchase requirements ... the price paid would be substantially lower than normal retail costs.
    They don't buy them, they lease them
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