Ten years tick tock the bell tolls for NZ petrol power

[Laava]

Is it maybe just an echo from this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54981425

[mashman]

Just google wind turbine on fire lots of pics lol

That'll create maintenance jobs that will. Can't have shit that's built for purpose and to last if it doesn't create jobs. That's just uneconomic.

No silly ... A Barista ...

Ahhh, humans always need fuelin'

[Oakie]

Now slow down a minute boys and ... boys.

Seeing it has been mentioned, this is what Agenda 2030 actually says:

12.c Rationalize inefficient fossil fuel subsidies that encourage wasteful consumption by removing market distortions, in accordance with national circumstances, including by restructuring taxation and phasing out those harmful subsidies, where they and conditions of developing countries and minimizing the possible adverse impacts on their development in a manner that protects the poor and the affected communities.

Nothing to do getting rid of internal combustion vehicles.

[MaxPenguin]

Now slow down a minute boys and ... boys.

Seeing it has been mentioned, this is what Agenda 2030 actually says:

12.c Rationalize inefficient fossil fuel subsidies that encourage wasteful consumption by removing market distortions, in accordance with national circumstances, including by restructuring taxation and phasing out those harmful subsidies, where they and conditions of developing countries and minimizing the possible adverse impacts on their development in a manner that protects the poor and the affected communities.

Nothing to do getting rid of internal combustion vehicles.

Two points. Agenda 2030 is THE cool thing to mention if you are a conspiracy theorist like r650r. And face it, IC engi as are on their way out, you can keep yours if you like, but I don't know where you will be able to buy petrol.

[Oakie]

Two points. Agenda 2030 is THE cool thing to mention if you are a conspiracy theorist like r650r.

Yeah, I noticed it popping up all over the place as the threat to everything, especially during the election campaign on Advance NZs facebook page. Thought I should at least read it so I found the original UN document online. It's obvious from what is in it that those who decry it as the end of society as we know it, have not actually read it. It's asprirational rather than threatening. Full of 'nice to haves' but I can't see a lot of it happening.

And face it, IC engi as are on their way out, you can keep yours if you like, but I don't know where you will be able to buy petrol.

I'll be dead by the time IC engines go, not sure about my kids but I reckon the grandkids will have to be the ones that deal with the end of petrol.

[Oakie]

Oh, incidentally, these are the goals of Agenda 2030 which is all about sustainable development. Aspirational? Yes, Achievable? Probably not. The way for the UN or the dreaded 'New World Order' to take over the world? Nah. Probably an interesting thread to start but I can see it would be quite a shit fight. Link to the full document is at the bottom

Sustainable Development Goals

Goal 1. End poverty in all its forms everywhere
Goal 2. End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition and promote sustainable agriculture
Goal 3. Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages
Goal 4. Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote lifelong learning opportunities for all
Goal 5. Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls
Goal 6. Ensure availability and sustainable management of water and sanitation for all
Goal 7. Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all
Goal 8. Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and productive employment and decent work for all
Goal 9. Build resilient infrastructure, promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and foster innovation
Goal 10. Reduce inequality within and among countries
Goal 11. Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable
Goal 12. Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns
Goal 13. Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts*
Goal 14. Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources for sustainable development
Goal 15. Protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss
Goal 16. Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels
Goal 17. Strengthen the means of implementation and revitalize the global partnership for sustainable development

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...ormingourworld

[MaxPenguin]

Oh, incidentally, these are the goals of Agenda 2030 which is all about sustainable development. Aspirational? Yes, Achievable? Probably not. The way for the UN or the dreaded 'New World Order' to take over the world? Nah. Probably an interesting thread to start but I can see it would be quite a shit fight. Link to the full document is at the bottom

Sustainable Development Goals

Goal 1. End poverty in all its forms everywhere
Goal 2. End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition and promote sustainable agriculture
Goal 3. Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages
Goal 4. Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote lifelong learning opportunities for all
Goal 5. Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls
Goal 6. Ensure availability and sustainable management of water and sanitation for all
Goal 7. Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all
Goal 8. Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and productive employment and decent work for all
Goal 9. Build resilient infrastructure, promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and foster innovation
Goal 10. Reduce inequality within and among countries
Goal 11. Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable
Goal 12. Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns
Goal 13. Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts*
Goal 14. Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources for sustainable development
Goal 15. Protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss
Goal 16. Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels
Goal 17. Strengthen the means of implementation and revitalize the global partnership for sustainable development

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...ormingourworld

If you watch Sir David Attenboroughs latest doco he explains at the end what needs to be done to get the environment back on track and a lot of it is included in agenda 2030.

[FJRider]

... It's obvious from what is in it that those who decry it as the end of society as we know it, have not actually read it. It's asprirational rather than threatening. Full of 'nice to haves' but I can't see a lot of it happening.

If even partially implemented ... it WOULD be the end of society "As we know it".

But the basic principle of the whole agenda, reminds me of an old joke. How many Social Workers are needed to change a light bulb ?? Only one ... but the light bulb must WANT to change.

Each and every one of those goals are achievable. BUT ... not EVERYBODY that those goals would benefit ... would actually WANT it. And not everybody that could help implement it ... would want to help. Either because they like things as they are now ... it would require some (large) degree of effort on their part ... or they lose money. All simply because the self centered lifestyle they have ... they want to continue.

[R650R]

Oh, incidentally, these are the goals of Agenda 2030 which is all about sustainable development. Aspirational? Yes, Achievable? Probably not. The way for the UN or the dreaded 'New World Order' to take over the world? Nah. Probably an interesting thread to start but I can see it would be quite a shit fight. Link to the full document is at the bottom

Sustainable Development Goals

Goal 1. End poverty in all its forms everywhere
Goal 2. End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition and promote sustainable agriculture
Goal 3. Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages
Goal 4. Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote lifelong learning opportunities for all
Goal 5. Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls
Goal 6. Ensure availability and sustainable management of water and sanitation for all
Goal 7. Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all
Goal 8. Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and productive employment and decent work for all
Goal 9. Build resilient infrastructure, promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and foster innovation
Goal 10. Reduce inequality within and among countries
Goal 11. Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable
Goal 12. Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns
Goal 13. Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts*
Goal 14. Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources for sustainable development
Goal 15. Protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss
Goal 16. Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels
Goal 17. Strengthen the means of implementation and revitalize the global partnership for sustainable development

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...ormingourworld

IÂ’m happy for the thread to morph into a discussion about this...
LetÂ’s eliminate one thing for a start though, Billy TK talked about it but was poor at explaining the issues. The Elite often set up someone like this to discredit a certain view.

But like any govt document you have to read between the lines to see what lies behind the rosey image portrayed. LetÂ’s just take a couple of the core terms.

Equality... were already seeing ramifications of that, hiring based on gender, race or age and not on skill.

Sustainable...there is nothing that is truely sustainable that doesnÂ’t harm biodiversity or any of the other sacred environmental factors.
When the elite talk about sustainable they mean in respect to them and there position. Massive population reduction is the only thing that gets close to doing this.
Sadly history has too many examples of their favourite way to do this and it doesnÂ’t end well for the average joes like all us on here.
The massive irony is the only way these things are achieved initially is with a massive totalitarian govt with many rules and inspectors, the opposite of efficient or sustainable.

Just look at covid lockdowns that made some business and life activity “sustainable” under the virus conditions... it took massive legislation and lifestyle changes to achieve quite a small goal of social distancing and increased hand washing.

[MaxPenguin]

IÂ’m happy for the thread to morph into a discussion about this...
LetÂ’s eliminate one thing for a start though, Billy TK talked about it but was poor at explaining the issues. The Elite often set up someone like this to discredit a certain view.

But like any govt document you have to read between the lines to see what lies behind the rosey image portrayed. LetÂ’s just take a couple of the core terms.

Equality... were already seeing ramifications of that, hiring based on gender, race or age and not on skill.

Sustainable...there is nothing that is truely sustainable that doesnÂ’t harm biodiversity or any of the other sacred environmental factors.
When the elite talk about sustainable they mean in respect to them and there position. Massive population reduction is the only thing that gets close to doing this.
Sadly history has too many examples of their favourite way to do this and it doesnÂ’t end well for the average joes like all us on here.
The massive irony is the only way these things are achieved initially is with a massive totalitarian govt with many rules and inspectors, the opposite of efficient or sustainable.

Just look at covid lockdowns that made some business and life activity “sustainable” under the virus conditions... it took massive legislation and lifestyle changes to achieve quite a small goal of social distancing and increased hand washing.

You lost me at the elite planting billytfukwit.

[MaxPenguin]

If even partially implemented ... it WOULD be the end of society "As we know it".

But the basic principle of the whole agenda, reminds me of an old joke. How many Social Workers are needed to change a light bulb ?? Only one ... but the light bulb must WANT to change.

Each and every one of those goals are achievable. BUT ... not EVERYBODY that those goals would benefit ... would actually WANT it. And not everybody that could help implement it ... would want to help. Either because they like things as they are now ... it would require some (large) degree of effort on their part ... or they lose money. All simply because the self centered lifestyle they have ... they want to continue.

You are right, we need to adapt. The qanon/conspiracy theorists refuse to adapt.

[RDJ]

If you watch Sir David Attenboroughs latest doco he explains at the end what needs to be done to get the environment back on track and a lot of it is included in agenda 2030.

Attenborough - yeah, he's the bloke that gets to fly First Class (plus his camera-crew plebs but back in Cattle Class, to 170+ countries and many millions of fuel-burning miles (for the 1998 series Life of Birds alone, he flew 256,000 miles). Should we listen to him lecture about fossil fuel-burning? Sod right off, Davey.

[mashman]

Oh, incidentally, these are the goals of Agenda 2030 which is all about sustainable development. Aspirational? Yes, Achievable? Probably not. The way for the UN or the dreaded 'New World Order' to take over the world? Nah. Probably an interesting thread to start but I can see it would be quite a shit fight. Link to the full document is at the bottom

Sustainable Development Goals

Goal 1. End poverty in all its forms everywhere
Goal 2. End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition and promote sustainable agriculture
Goal 3. Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages
Goal 4. Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote lifelong learning opportunities for all
Goal 5. Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls
Goal 6. Ensure availability and sustainable management of water and sanitation for all
Goal 7. Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all
Goal 8. Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and productive employment and decent work for all
Goal 9. Build resilient infrastructure, promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and foster innovation
Goal 10. Reduce inequality within and among countries
Goal 11. Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable
Goal 12. Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns
Goal 13. Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts*
Goal 14. Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources for sustainable development
Goal 15. Protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss
Goal 16. Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels
Goal 17. Strengthen the means of implementation and revitalize the global partnership for sustainable development

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.or...ormingourworld

How do you reckon we did with regards to the Millenium Development Goals?. The Agenda21/30 "conspiracy" is more than well founded. Just have look at how the U.S. etc... operate and how our word actually works.

For sustainability to take place, approximately 50% of current global production needs to cease. That conversation will be a fucking hoot.

[MaxPenguin]

How do you reckon we did with regards to the Millenium Development Goals?. The Agenda21/30 "conspiracy" is more than well founded. Just have look at how the U.S. etc... operate and how our word actually works.

For sustainability to take place, approximately 50% of current global production needs to cease. That conversation will be a fucking hoot.

We need to start somewhere, population is plateauing, attitudes are changing, I believe the ship is slowing down and starting to turn, hopefully we miss hitting the iceberg rather than the iceberg melting away and we just steam on over where it once was.

[MaxPenguin]

Attenborough - yeah, he's the bloke that gets to fly First Class (plus his camera-crew plebs but back in Cattle Class, to 170+ countries and many millions of fuel-burning miles (for the 1998 series Life of Birds alone, he flew 256,000 miles). Should we listen to him lecture about fossil fuel-burning? Sod right off, Davey.

So who would you listen to? Remember Sir David is just the narrator.