Ten years tick tock the bell tolls for NZ petrol power

[SaferRides]

Yes, and people will happily be ripped off using them while they think they are saving the planet.

Unless you mainly charge your EV at home, they make very little economic sense. I'm waiting for the day when BYD can match the price of a Suzuki Swift. It won't be long.


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[pritch]

Unless you mainly charge your EV at home, they make very little economic sense.

In Britain it was worse than that. Their electricity prices were so high that at one point it was cheaper to use petrol. That was Thatcher reaching out from the grave though.

[SaferRides]

In Britain it was worse than that. Their electricity prices were so high that at one point it was cheaper to use petrol. That was Thatcher reaching out from the grave though.

Another issue is not enough petrol cars are being built in Europe to meet demand, plus the Chinese are building better EV's cheaper than the European manufacturers.

It's going to be interesting to see how all this pans out.

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[R650R]

Yes, and people will happily be ripped off using them while they think they are saving the planet.

Unless you mainly charge your EV at home, they make very little economic sense. I'm waiting for the day when BYD can match the price of a Suzuki Swift. It won't be long.


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The Chinese know what we are willing to pay, I don’t foresee any dropping of price. If you look at current prices they are not significantly cheaper than other market offering. By significant I mean 1/3 to 1/2.
80% of cost of an ev is in the battery. Mining lithium and rare earth elements needed isn’t getting cheaper or easier.
Just look at the Chinese motorbikes, people are forking out some large coin on CF Moto and others of unknown long term reliability when they could get a low km name brand 2nd hand for similar money.
China now controls the world’s supply chains for basically all raw materials needed for production.

[pete376403]

Just look at the Chinese motorbikes, people are forking out some large coin on CF Moto and others of unknown long term reliability when they could get a low km name brand 2nd hand for similar money.

A CFmoto 450MT new price $10k. Or you could get a second hand KTM with dubious camshaft reliability (Austrian engine production) - but it has a "brand" name. Now that CFmoto build the KTM engines maybe those problems will be in the past

[SaferRides]

A CFmoto 450MT new price $10k. Or you could get a second hand KTM with dubious camshaft reliability (Austrian engine production) - but it has a "brand" name. Now that CFmoto build the KTM engines maybe those problems will be in the past

Those engines were made by CFMoto. I'd rather pay a bit more and buy Japanese.

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[pete376403]

Those engines were made by CFMoto. I'd rather pay a bit more and buy Japanese.

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The internet disagrees : "According to available information, the camshaft problems primarily affected KTM engines, specifically their LC8c parallel twin engines found in models like the 790 Duke and 790 Adventure, which were built by KTM in Austria, not by CFMoto, despite some engines sharing similar sharing similar designs; meaning the issue is primarily attributed to KTM, not CFMoto." But I agree, I'd rather buy a Japanese bike. Or British.

[SaferRides]

The internet disagrees : "According to available information, the camshaft problems primarily affected KTM engines, specifically their LC8c parallel twin engines found in models like the 790 Duke and 790 Adventure, which were built by KTM in Austria, not by CFMoto, despite some engines sharing similar sharing similar designs; meaning the issue is primarily attributed to KTM, not CFMoto." But I agree, I'd rather buy a Japanese bike. Or British.

I read the part which says: 'all KTM engines are made by CFMoto..." The 790 was originally made in Austria, then they moved production to China in order to provide a cheaper option after the ridiculously expensive 890 models didn't sell so well.

Apologies to CFMoto.

[onearmedbandit]

A very interesting take on the current situation with pure EV's.