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    Here is an interesting take on where Britain will stand with continued development of fossil fuels. Seeing as we buy all of ours from off shore it probably effects us even more.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b2088725.html
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    I like the way this guy explains a big picture.

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    Good video George, always knew the greenies we’re keeping a secret about carbon levels involved in ev production. Wonder if it factors in all the emissions from the actual creation of the new industry along with all the conference Sc etc...,

    He needs to do more research, he conveniently overlooks at the footprint of steel and concrete in construction of wind turbines....
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    Old-school fossil fuel power stations are mostly steel and concrete too. Not as much carbon-fibre though, in my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Good video George, always knew the greenies weÂ’re keeping a secret about carbon levels involved in ev production. Wonder if it factors in all the emissions from the actual creation of the new industry along with all the conference Sc etc...,

    He needs to do more research, he conveniently overlooks at the footprint of steel and concrete in construction of wind turbines....
    I suspect that talk was more about making people think in a big picture way rather than definitively listing all the ways we are releasing carbon.

    I'm sceptical of the big push for EV's for the reasons he states.

    He also does not discuss the lifespan of an ICE vehicle v an EV, the graph only covers a certain mileage and time. Nor does he mention repairs.

    I was getting a WoF t'other day and got my eye on a couriers Transit with the motor out. The oil pump had failed and the van driven until a piston nipped up , 370'000km's. The cost and ease of repair, relatively speaking, made it worthwhile rather than buying a new van. As EV's stand now it would be a write off, too expensive to fix.

    It's pretty easy to shoot down the EV argument when we think beyond the shrill publicity but they are a step in the right direction.
    I totally agree that hybrids are the way forward for most people and industries. Especially if we can get some scale on full cycle fuel production.

    Loved the horse example! Didn't mention methane, either...
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    The big push will continue as it’s coming from govt level. They really care not if say 20-30% of population can’t afford to buy an ev. As far as they are concerned walk or catch bus etc....
    And the reason they are pushing EV is for security, theirs not ours....
    This is because the current system is falling apart as people are educating themselves via internet, the govt no longer controls the narrative. And what do you do to any angry horde or wild animal that’s might attack you ??? Restrict their movement....

    For example in an EV world the Wellington protest would never have happened. The AI machine and intel would detect rising unrest and critical leaders and voices would just have their chargers remotely bricked and their public health/transport access cards would be switched off remotely.

    Liquid fuels and LPG allow rapid transfer of high density energy sources to be easily shared without control. The elite want to be able to switch us off at will like a parent unplugging router at dinner time etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    The big push will continue as it’s coming from govt level. They really care not if say 20-30% of population can’t afford to buy an ev. As far as they are concerned walk or catch bus etc....
    And the reason they are pushing EV is for security, theirs not ours....
    This is because the current system is falling apart as people are educating themselves via internet, the govt no longer controls the narrative. And what do you do to any angry horde or wild animal that’s might attack you ??? Restrict their movement....

    For example in an EV world the Wellington protest would never have happened. The AI machine and intel would detect rising unrest and critical leaders and voices would just have their chargers remotely bricked and their public health/transport access cards would be switched off remotely.

    Liquid fuels and LPG allow rapid transfer of high density energy sources to be easily shared without control. The elite want to be able to switch us off at will like a parent unplugging router at dinner time etc
    You must be using a different internet, your claims are bizarre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george formby View Post
    You must be using a different internet, your claims are bizarre.
    Off his meds...
    it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
    those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    And what do you do to any angry horde or wild animal that’s might attack you ???
    Film it and post it on Tick Tock for the lolz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    Film it and post it on Tick Tock for the lolz?
    Haha so true actually.... I might die here but I better catch it on film 😂
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    Well we’ll.... coal consumption set to match or beat all time record of 2013....

    https://joannenova.com.au/2022/08/mi...man-existence/

    We in the west continue to cripple our economies with green nonsense while the real power brokers of future China and India continue full steam ahead
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    continue full steam ahead
    Both Figuratively...

    And Literally.
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    As many reputable scientists have said water vapour is prob more significant than any effect CO2 allegedly has on climate. So much so google has been caught altering calculations of jet emissions as it doesn’t fit the narrative.

    You see you can’t have a new hydrogen fuel cell industry producing water vapour if your mates are saying water vapour is bad....

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    About halfway through this clip while they are discussing can the grid cope, the transport minister subtly alludes to the coming technocratic control grid where they will decide how much electricity you get.
    His comment in reply to the strain is oh that’s why we will need smart charging.

    What’s smart charging? That’s where the govt/provider cohort to RATION how much power you get and when. No doubt there will coincidentally be power shortages if theres about to be a protest.
    Hitler would have loved this, no need for all those trains and camps just turn power off in winter.

    You have to love that they openly admit in true labour fashion they have no idea how much these hubs will cost. Expert interviewed says looking st around 10million each so its easily going to balloon to half a billion dollars for the 25-30 sites promised. There go the savings from the policy bonfire.
    Why isn’t private enterprise already building these mega ev charge hubs? Perhaps the smartest people in the room have done the maths on actual demand

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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    About halfway through this clip while they are discussing can the grid cope, the transport minister subtly alludes to the coming technocratic control grid where they will decide how much electricity you get.
    His comment in reply to the strain is oh thatÂ’s why we will need smart charging.

    WhatÂ’s smart charging? ThatÂ’s where the govt/provider cohort to RATION how much power you get and when. No doubt there will coincidentally be power shortages if theres about to be a protest.
    Hitler would have loved this, no need for all those trains and camps just turn power off in winter.

    You have to love that they openly admit in true labour fashion they have no idea how much these hubs will cost. Expert interviewed says looking st around 10million each so its easily going to balloon to half a billion dollars for the 25-30 sites promised. There go the savings from the policy bonfire.
    Why isnÂ’t private enterprise already building these mega ev charge hubs? Perhaps the smartest people in the room have done the maths on actual demand.
    Your comment is written very much from the perspective of a fossil fueled vehicle owner who is totally reliant on regularly filling up at a fuel station to maintain your mobility. In our case our two EVs are charged at home 90+% of the time with much of that electricity sourced from our own PV generation. Our long distance EV (a Polestar2) typically charges once every month or so when we do an out of province trip.


    Our EVs have given us very cheap running costs (~2c/km based on the lost export of our PV generation), minimal maintenance costs and a potential energy supply for our home by way of V2G. (Admittedly the viability and regulatory side of V2G is still a work in progress as technology and legislation catches up with our plans).

    While Steve West recognised the delayed return on his foray into public EV charging when he initiated ChargeNet as a start-up venture the demand for this service is now more than this company can keep up with. If not for ChargeNet NZ EV owners would now be reliant on the fuel companies (conflict of interest?) and state to provide charging facilities for the rapidly expanding national EV fleet. You need only look to the UK to see what the government have in mind with their recent proposal. Facilities similar to GridServe's installations up and down NZ in order to keep up with the needs of our rapidly increasing EV fleet.


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