MotoGP 2021

[pritch]

I missed the name following the accident this morning but MotoGP has posted that Jason Depasquier has died.

[onearmedbandit]

I missed the name following the accident this morning but MotoGP has posters that Jason Depasquier has died.

Oh fuck my heart sank when I read that. Saw the crash and it was horrible. Damn.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/97...moto3-injuries

[pritch]

Having watched the big boys play, two main impressions: Race Direction or the stewards or whoever it was should hang their heads in shame after that effort. The consisitency of Quateraro, they showed his lap times at one point and there was a whole string of identical laps, 1.47.06 from memory. Amazing precision.

[Dadpole]

I assume you mean the "back a place" fun. The logic is clear in that each case was decided in the order it happened. Olivera back a place promoting Mir then Mir back a place promoting Olivera. Makes sense in a way. Else Zarco would have been promoted to second. Or Miller sent to his room. Or something....

[pritch]

I assume you mean the "back a place" fun. The logic is clear in that each case was decided in the order it happened. Olivera back a place promoting Mir then Mir back a place promoting Olivera. Makes sense in a way. Else Zarco would have been promoted to second. Or Miller sent to his room. Or something....

That's it. Normally it seems they give a warning before they hand out a penalty, but this was the last lap. The transgressions were almost microscopic, it might have looked more professional if they just had a word and wagged a finger after the race, rather than risking an epidemic of heart attacks in the pits.

[Dadpole]

All this season a hit the green during the final lap is an automatic loss of one place. They have sensors to detect any straying so there is no grey area. This was caused a year or two back by someone using the green to get a slingshot on the final corner. Not an offence at the time as riders were allowed a set number of 'Green area' touches in a race.
It is harsh, but they all know the rule. They (offending riders) will argue that it was only a tiny bit on the green and shouldn't count, but that is like only being a tiny bit dead.

[sugilite:Me]

That was a race of attrition!
Well done Fabio, flawless - if he keeps that up, he should be World Champ for 21.
Marc Marquez is making mistakes and I'm starting to think he may never be as dominant force as he once was.
Viñales ratio of brilliant races vs mediocre continues as per other seasons.
Rins has replaced Cal Crutchlow as the series serial crasher. I guess someone had to step off, I mean up to the role
Millar took a mature points position - good to see.
Rossi seriously needs to retire, if half the field had not crashed in front of him, he would of been out of the top 20 - at Mugello! Time to start his winning career as a Team Owner me thinks, this is getting beyond sad.
Mir and Binder did well. Mir could still be the dark horse for 21, as much as a current champion can be a dark horse!

[iYRe]

I remember someone like Rainey saying that it can take a year to recover all your responses and stuff after a major surgery, even once you are 100% healed. MM doesnt appear to be 100% - I reckon he's operating at 50% capacity. Maybe he will never recover 100%, but I'd say this year is just training for next year.

I agree about Rossi, time to move on. And FQ - i've always liked that guy, good luck to him

[James Deuce]

Rins Crashes Again

[Autech]

I read this comment on the GP site about Rossi.
"It’s not his lack of ‘bottle’ or ‘skill’ it’s the electronics. He came from a primitive era where you required mechanical grip and feel. Ever since MotoGP went full in with rider aids he has struggled. If the bikes were primitive he would still win. What he is looking for in terms of feel in the set up no longer exists."

May have hit the nail on the head

Yet his results have gone downhill since they made the electronics less sophisticated? I'd say the electronics of 2008 etc were more sophisticated than the MM stuff they have now, which essentially is just a safety net rather than a go faster system like they were in the spec electronics days.

This is what Rossi fans tell themselves to try and make themselves feel better about him getting smoked, lets not forget he's not any slower than he used to be (which is amazing really), the younger guys coming in just can make the difference and get everything out of the bike. He still goes bloody well for his age, but it pains me to see him at the back of the pack. I'd rather him nurturing talent than risking his neck, we damn near lost him at Red Bull ring last year.

Great to see the KTM up there again, though I'll reserve judgement until they have to deal with a softer front tyre allocation. MO and BB really are class, was a shame BB got clattered into as I'd have like to see if he could have made the difference to catch Fabio with his Sunday style. Tech3 boys going better and better too.

As for Fabio, can't help but mention the Lorenzo name again, he really is the next JL, that laptime consistency was inhuman. No one else can ride that Yamaha as good as him, all we need is the other fast Yamaha guy beside him in the factory team and they'll be unstoppable, if a Yamaha can win at Mugello and Qatar with the huge straights then the rest of the field (Ducati's) are in big trouble.

Looks like Bags riding style is improved from last year but he's probably asking the Ducati to do something its not happy doing (turning) so it's a risky strategy that's not going to always pay off. He was possibly distracted by the news received just before the race too.

Rins and Mir were going well again, looked to me that Rins friendship with Miller was getting in the way of him putting a rough move of Miller though, there were a few times there he could have bashed him out of the way but he didn't which left him open to Mir's attack.

Then he crashed again... Can't help but wonder if part of it's down to his riding style? From my amateur racing and couch, the more of you off the bike the more stable it seems, I remember feeling the difference in the bike on the last sweeper at Ruapuna by moving my head a few more cm to the left, so I wonder if the guys that are dragging elbows have the advantage in feeling the front over him? They're not doing it for the fun of it I'm sure so there must be something in it. Rins does look awesome and nostalgic etc, but maybe he might need to change up his style to match the others? A look at Rossi over the years will show how much the riding styles have evolved to suit the machines and tyres.

[pritch]

I remember someone like Rainey saying that it can take a year to recover all your responses and stuff after a major surgery, even once you are 100% healed. MM doesnt appear to be 100% - I reckon he's operating at 50% capacity. Maybe he will never recover 100%, but I'd say this year is just training for next year.

I'm reminded of Freddie Spencer who went from world beater to "Sorry, can't use you" in a tragically short time. He had suffered nerve damage in his arm apparently and there was nothing the surgeons could do. There can't be much bone left in MMs upper arm after all the screw holes, it could take a long time to get the strength back. If ever. He's working on it, but apparently that's given him shoulder problems now. Time will tell. Meantime he needs to keep things shiny side up to avoid further damage.

[iYRe]

Tis true...

In other news, in 2018 he tested an F1 car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNkBLgc7vuc

It was a 2012 V8, with hard demo tires and still managed 8 secs off the lap record.
Interesting, they chat about braking and gear changes...

[onearmedbandit]

I'm reminded of Freddie Spencer who went from world beater to "Sorry, can't use you" in a tragically short time. He had suffered nerve damage in his arm apparently and there was nothing the surgeons could do. There can't be much bone left in MMs upper arm after all the screw holes, it could take a long time to get the strength back. If ever. He's working on it, but apparently that's given him shoulder problems now. Time will tell. Meantime he needs to keep things shiny side up to avoid further damage.

It's reported that the arm is stronger than ever, it's just the shoulder strength from a lack of riding post injury recovery that is causing his issues. Supposedly the doctors have told him being on track is the best way to sort that.

[F5 Dave]

Wtf was Bastainini doing coming in so fast to grid? Cool cartwheel but he could have maimed Zarco. That sort of accident has several unhappy examples.

Can't imagine the debrief was very cheery.

Any links on explanation?

[Autech]

Wtf was Bastainini doing coming in so fast to grid? Cool cartwheel but he could have maimed Zarco. That sort of accident has several unhappy examples.

Can't imagine the debrief was very cheery.

Any links on explanation?

Yeah there was one on Crash. Basically he thought Zarco braked strangely.
I'd say 1 minutes silence before the race probably had him off his game and he's just messed up, not something you expect at that level. Could have been way worse though

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