Death toll on the roads is virtually identical to 2019

[FJRider]

they're easy too, fit cameras in the cop cars, the evidence is recorded, the cop doesn't have to sit in court waiting, it's not he said she said....

The trick is ... the cop has to be where the "Action" is. When it happens. Even with cameras in/on the car.


Meanwhile ... the cop parked on the side of the road "Watching traffic" ... see's mostly well behaved drivers.

Go figure ...

[release_the_bees]

The trick is ... the cop has to be where the "Action" is. When it happens. Even with cameras in/on the car.


Meanwhile ... the cop parked on the side of the road "Watching traffic" ... see's mostly well behaved drivers.

Go figure ...

It wouldn't take an unmarked cop car long going up and down the Auckland motorway. I see dozens of people following too close every day, regardless of the time of day and the traffic volume.

I'd struggle to fit my bike in between some of the gaps that I see between vehicles.

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[rastuscat]

I would argue tho that while I agree the individual needs to change, it does start with the Govt.

Hmmm.

And there lies the issue. Pushing responsibility onto someone else (gubbermint) protects our self image, and allows us to escape responsibility.

It's classic deflection.

My safety starts with me. Sure, gubbermint can do stuff too, but on todays ride it was my responsibility to manage my safety.

[rastuscat]

Well said that man - And there in lies the rub. It's standard human behaviour that if you do something whilst driving and then get away with it without anything bad happening (Or at least nothing you noticed at any rate) then cognitive function is such that you'll be more likely to do it again. We're all susceptible to this whether we realise it or not.

Thus with cellphone use.

Hypothetical case, I made this up.

When my wife calls, her picture appears on my phone, and she has her own ringtone. It's a settings thing, apparently.

So, I;'m driving, and my phone rings with her ring tone. I look down and there's her smiling face looking back at me.

My first thoughts are that I shouldn't answer the call because

• I might get a ticket
• I might kill a child, the ads on tv say so
• Someone might see me on the phone and shame me

Then I realise that not answering a call from Mrs Cat is worse than all of those things, so I answer it. "Hi, yes, on the way home, see you soon."

Nobody died, no ticket, no public shaming. in short, no adverse outcome.

Next time, answering the phone is just that little bit easier. And after 400 times, I'll be Facebooking, Instagramming, blogging, answering emails etc.

It's optimism bias in action. Taking a risk with no adverse outcome leads to subconscious complacency.

So, when we take a racing line on a tight right hander because we have done exactly the same 400 times, onlyu this time theres a car coming the other way with two wheels on my side of the road...........we rant about the cars killing us. Because we have tught ourselves that racing lines on right hand corners are perfectly safe.

Prevention is better than cure, expecially for broken arms, broken legs and ruptured spleens.

[Scuba_Steve]

Hmmm.

And there lies the issue. Pushing responsibility onto someone else (gubbermint) protects our self image, and allows us to escape responsibility.

It's classic deflection.

My safety starts with me. Sure, gubbermint can do stuff too, but on todays ride it was my responsibility to manage my safety.

Yes but we know* when we're driving bad.
The general public don't know they're driving bad, & because the Govt won't tell them they'll continue to drive just as bad or even worse. That was my point, people don't always know they're doing wrong & if no-one's gonna tell them then they'll never be able to change.

Unlike bikers, most cage users have no interest in motor vehicles or roads, it is merely a tool they need to use to transport between 2 or more locations; so they have no self interest to learn to drive, know the rules, care about the roading system, thus without having the info that they're 'doing shit wrong' being handed directly to them they ain't never gonna find out or change & that's my point you can only take responsibility & choose to change if you're aware change is needed.

[rastuscat]

Yes but we know* when we're driving bad.
The general public don't know they're driving bad, & because the Govt won't tell them they'll continue to drive just as bad or even worse. That was my point, people don't always know they're doing wrong & if no-one's gonna tell them then they'll never be able to change.

Fair point, that.

People almost without exception think they are better than average. Because they see other people driving badly, but not their own bad driving.

But being told that by the gubbermint is almost a watse of time, bacause nobody thinks it applies to them. Coz they are better than average.

Statistically, it can't be true. It's not how averages work.

Good point Skoober.

[F5 Dave]

A simple retest every 10 years would be a good start.

I'm not scared of it, because, you know.

[James Deuce]

Blah blah blah. It all comes down to luck. When it's your turn, it's your turn.

[Kickaha]

Blah blah blah. It all comes down to luck. When it's your turn, it's your turn.

Your optimistic outlook has always inspired me James

[James Deuce]

Your optimistic outlook has always inspired me James

Well that cheered me up.

[FJRider]

... Then I realise that not answering a call from Mrs Cat is worse than all of those things, so I answer it. "Hi, yes, on the way home, see you soon."

Nobody died, no ticket, no public shaming. in short, no adverse outcome.

Next time, answering the phone is just that little bit easier. And after 400 times, I'll be Facebooking, Instagramming, blogging, answering emails etc.

It's optimism bias in action. Taking a risk with no adverse outcome leads to subconscious complacency.

And answering/replying with the phone while you're stopped at the traffic lights carries the same penalty. What's the safety message there ... ??

[FJRider]

It wouldn't take an unmarked cop car long going up and down the Auckland motorway. I see dozens of people following too close every day, regardless of the time of day and the traffic volume.

I'd struggle to fit my bike in between some of the gaps that I see between vehicles.

No need for an unmarked cop ... how far apart are the cameras on ALL the motorways .. ??

Their choice is stop every other vehicle for any of the obvious traffic infringements ... or keep ALL the traffic flowing.

They choose the latter one ... and ping those that actually get it so badly wrong .. THEY stop traffic.

Or if they are featuring on Motorway patrol ... and they want to be famous.

[FJRider]

A simple retest every 10 years would be a good start.

It would be political suicide to introduce that.

Most people know the rules ... but if they get away with breaking the rules for long enough ... the perceived dual risk factor (getting caught by plod or having an accident) lessens the longer they continue to get away with it ...

And the longer they get away with it ... the better driver's they perceive themselves to be.

[FJRider]

Blah blah blah. It all comes down to luck. When it's your turn, it's your turn.

You can have MY turn if you want ... I'm not in that big a hurry to have it ...

[rastuscat]

A simple retest every 10 years would be a good start.

I'm not scared of it, because, you know.

The concern is what to do with the at least 50% of people who would fail. It would shut down the economy.