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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    It's possible you may be overestimating the reading ability of the NZ public. (From memory the average NZ reading age is that of a 12 yo.) Most don't read beyond the headlines, only a small percentage of the Herald's diminishing readership would have bothered to read the article. Kronfeld's name might have caused a few rugby fans to read a couple of paragraphs but...
    My questions are ...

    Does Josh himself actually believe what he said ... ???

    Did the writer of the article want an expert opinion or a celebrity opinion ... ??? Or did he think he got both ... ??

    Will this article (potentially) encourage some young rugby fan((atic) to cut the pipes off his GN125 to (potentially) help save his own life .. ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    Ah yes, for a while now it's been part of the I endorsement course to get instructors to encourage new drivers to see the centre lane as the thru lane, using left lane mostly to prep for joining or departing motorway.

    ... many folks don't understand merge like a zip...
    The issue is those who stay in the middle lane - well away from any sort of on / off ramps. It is a simple "failure to keep left unless overtaking" issue... seemingly encouraged and perpetuated by driving "schools".


    As for "merging like a zip", Billy Connelly visited NZ and in one of his performances stated "merge like a zip? You kiwi's merge like fucking velcro!".
    He is spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    The issue is those who stay in the middle lane - well away from any sort of on / off ramps. It is a simple "failure to keep left unless overtaking" issue... seemingly encouraged and perpetuated by driving "schools".
    Most Driving Schools normally teach normal open road and City driving practices. As this is the usual driving test criteria.

    Motorways typically can have three lanes: The general rules for such are as follows.

    Lane one – the left lane – is for routine driving.

    Lane two – the middle lane – and lane three – the right-hand lane – are for overtaking.

    Keep to lane one unless there's a build-up of slow-moving vehicles in that lane ... when you can move over to one of the other lanes.

    Hence the "Keep left unless overtaking" (on Motorways) is generally ignored by motorists. And seldom enforced by plod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    As for "merging like a zip", Billy Connelly visited NZ and in one of his performances stated "merge like a zip? You kiwi's merge like fucking velcro!".
    He is spot on.
    Very narrowly missed becoming one of this years statistics last weekend, SUV merged digitally, like an on off switch.
    no idea he nearly ran me over. No lookin, no gentle change, just twist the wheel.
    just as well I was paying attention.

    hate riding in the big smoke. Too many idiots.

    going to suggest once you get a full motorcycle license, you also get unlimited speed limit.
    we pay for ACC, you know there is more risk at higher speed.
    balance risk with you knowledge of your own skill set.

    i owned a loud pipe bike, sounded great cruising around.
    limited number of other road users heard or paid attention.
    less than 50% of other road users was able or cared what the noise was.
    loud pipes only effective in small number of cases.

    just got to follow other normal road rules.
    penalties for other road users involved in any type of motorcycle incident quadruple normal ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldog View Post
    hate riding in the big smoke. Too many idiots.
    Interesting.

    I hear people saying that people who make driving mistakes are idiots.

    Not really. If they were out of the car and sitting in a pub I'd probably have a beer with them. They are just people who made a mistake.

    We tend to demonize those we seek to blame. Its something we as humans do. Its a gross generalization and one of the steps of our psyche self defence mechanism.

    The reality is we demonize those we see making mistakes, but we don't see our own mistakes. Its part of being human.

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    Motorcyclists' reactions to other people's driving is also coloured by our relative vulnerability, I find.

    I got tapped from behind while sitting in traffic, and was expecting the driver behind me to pull over so we could check there was no damage. He pulled out into the outside lane and carried on, so I followed him and forcefully indicated I would like him to pull over, which he eventually did. I got very angry. When he finally did, and we confirmed that there was no damage, I felt obliged to apologise for my reaction. I seemed to get a real shot of adrenaline, even though it must have been a very light tap.
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    A couple of years ago I was part of a research project into drivers attitudes.

    Conclusions included that everyone thinks they are better than average. Mostly because they see other people making mistakes and judge them harshly, but fail to judge harshly their own mistakes.

    Another conclusion was that drivers generally support increased driver education............for other people. They were asked if they supported more driver education, and if they said yes, they were asked what additional driver education they had done. The vast majority had done none.

    There is also the training conundrum to deal with. In terms of driver training, when people go to advanced driver training, most commonly supported by an employer as part of workplace h&S, they expect to be taught advanced skills, like skid control, hazard avoidance, emergency braking etc. In my view, it's the bascis that need to be taught, like indicating at roundabouts, how to merge or change lanes, just basic stuff.

    On a wall in a training room I was in lots of times several years ago was a poster saying "Advanced skills are the basics mastered". I don't need people to be advanced drivers, I just need them to consistently be good at the basics.

    Its human nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Interesting.

    I hear people saying that people who make driving mistakes are idiots.

    Not really. If they were out of the car and sitting in a pub I'd probably have a beer with them. They are just people who made a mistake.

    We tend to demonize those we seek to blame. Its something we as humans do. Its a gross generalization and one of the steps of our psyche self defence mechanism.

    The reality is we demonize those we see making mistakes, but we don't see our own mistakes. Its part of being human.
    I see my mistakes all the time, and try not to repeat them. My kids in the car with me learn from how I drive and behave on road.

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    I can't speak for others, but after almost every ride, while I'm taking my gear off, I have a think about the ride I've just completed and what I could have done better.

    As an example, when merging lanes this morning, I probably got a bit close to the car in front of me. If they'd stopped suddenly, I would have had to swerve around them, as I wouldn't have been able to emergency brake without hitting them.

    I also video my commutes on occasion. Most of it is thrown away without me ever watching it, but if something ever takes me by surprise, I like to re-watch the incident and see if there were any warning signs or things that I could have done better.



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    Quote Originally Posted by release_the_bees View Post
    I can't speak for others, but after almost every ride, while I'm taking my gear off, I have a think about the ride I've just completed and what I could have done better.

    As an example, when merging lanes this morning, I probably got a bit close to the car in front of me. If they'd stopped suddenly, I would have had to swerve around them, as I wouldn't have been able to emergency brake without hitting them.

    I also video my commutes on occasion. Most of it is thrown away without me ever watching it, but if something ever takes me by surprise, I like to re-watch the incident and see if there were any warning signs or things that I could have done better.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Interesting.

    I hear people saying that people who make driving mistakes are idiots.

    Not really. If they were out of the car and sitting in a pub I'd probably have a beer with them. They are just people who made a mistake.

    We tend to demonize those we seek to blame. Its something we as humans do. Its a gross generalization and one of the steps of our psyche self defence mechanism.

    The reality is we demonize those we see making mistakes, but we don't see our own mistakes. Its part of being human.
    Idiot was perhaps the wrong word.

    There was no mistake.
    Just no look.
    No SMIDSY
    No concern
    No change in behaviour-did the same action twice within 60 seconds. Just glad I survived both events.
    Like most people they have no thought for others.

    Got myself out of there and into clear space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    Interesting.

    I hear people saying that people who make driving mistakes are idiots.

    Not really. If they were out of the car and sitting in a pub I'd probably have a beer with them. They are just people who made a mistake.

    We tend to demonize those we seek to blame. Its something we as humans do. Its a gross generalization and one of the steps of our psyche self defence mechanism.

    The reality is we demonize those we see making mistakes, but we don't see our own mistakes. Its part of being human.
    Idiot was perhaps the wrong word.

    There was no mistake.
    Just no look.
    No SMIDSY
    No concern
    1 flash of indicator as they swerved into my lane.
    Twice that happened.
    No change in behaviour-did the same action twice within 60 seconds. Just glad I survived both events.
    Like most people they have no thought for others.

    Got myself out of there and into clear space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by release_the_bees View Post
    I can't speak for others, but after almost every ride, while I'm taking my gear off, I have a think about the ride I've just completed and what I could have done better.
    I'm thinking whether I generated a *555 call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    A couple of years ago I was part of a research project into drivers attitudes.

    Conclusions included that everyone thinks they are better than average. Mostly because they see other people making mistakes and judge them harshly, but fail to judge harshly their own mistakes.

    Another conclusion was that drivers generally support increased driver education............for other people. They were asked if they supported more driver education, and if they said yes, they were asked what additional driver education they had done. The vast majority had done none.

    There is also the training conundrum to deal with. In terms of driver training, when people go to advanced driver training, most commonly supported by an employer as part of workplace h&S, they expect to be taught advanced skills, like skid control, hazard avoidance, emergency braking etc. In my view, it's the bascis that need to be taught, like indicating at roundabouts, how to merge or change lanes, just basic stuff.

    On a wall in a training room I was in lots of times several years ago was a poster saying "Advanced skills are the basics mastered". I don't need people to be advanced drivers, I just need them to consistently be good at the basics.

    Its human nature.
    i am my most worst critic.
    i push others to do more, push myself harder.
    a procrastinator, with 2 left feet and a self defeating ability to do things in the reverse order.
    i try to improve with everything I do.

    Hard to soar like an eagle when you have no wings.

    but that’s just me and why I am different to anyone else

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