You think Trump writes speeches?Originally Posted by R650R
Covfefe!
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You think Trump writes speeches?
Covfefe!
Measure once, cut twice. Practice makes perfect.
Geriatric hoon
Assuming that the foreign troops were not there forever they were always going to leave at some point. Twenty years seems like a round figure. The implementation of the withdrawal, however, is a complete shit show to rank with the Suez crisis and the fall of Saigon. And that is on Biden. At least he has acknowledged that the buck stops with him. Something his predecessor never would have done. Here's hoping the CIA and US diplomats didn't exhibit the same abject cowardice that they did in Saigon. Hopefully they took their records with them this time and didn't just leave them to the enemy to identify all those people who had assisted the US.
The speed of the Taliban advance surprised everybody. Whether Biden was not advised of this possibility, or he was advised but chose to ignore it, should become clear in the fullness of time. Michael McFaul a former ambassador to Russia, the same one that Trump was considering handing over to Putin, (yeah really) has suggested we'll need to wait for the publication of the various memoirs to know. Corruption is rife in Afghanistan and some troops had not been paid for months. Others just had to skip across the nearby border to be safe. The capitulation was so sudden and complete though, that it's almost as if that was the plan.
Spare a thought for Kiwi veterans of Afghanistan, they may be concerned for the welfare of people they knew and worked with, and who have been trapped by the rapid Taliban advance. The US govenment was far too slow to assist their people, partly due to the Dept of Homeland Security wanting to do thorough checks on people, and partly due to Biden being asleep at the wheel in this instance. The NZ response was similar. The day after the Taliban took over Bamiyan province Cabinet decided to make plans to help. Currently we can't even get a 'plane into Kabul, so their plans are likely moot.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Geriatric hoon
News items suggest that Biden was warned of the dramatic collapse of the Afghan forces but chose not to act on the information. Reportedly the CIA had raised the possibility, and a dozen diplomats had penned a dissent memo. The memo is a format for diplomats to contact the government if they feel they are not being heard through reular channels.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/19/p...ing/index.html
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Anorak
Problem is is Biden was stuck with the deal Trump made and signed on behalf of the USA.
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Geriatric hoon
Yeah, but his implementation of the deal was pathetic.
I was listening to a podcast yesterday. A guy who had worked on the staff of senators was saying it did not pay to be a dissenting voice at meetings. Being the lone pessimist can have you cast into career oblivion. He said he has never worked with Biden and has no idea how he runs a meeting, but at such meetings there is pressure to be a "team player." If the prognosis is obviously rosy there is a tendency for all present to agree anyway.
Even so, we now know that the White House was warned their projections were unrealistic.
Another podcast last night contained an interview with the Inspector general of the US Afghanistan effort. The Inspectors General are independent of the department or operation they are attached to, their job is to watch for corruption or waste. He spoke of some transport aircraft that were purchased by the US for the Afghan Air Force for $450,000,000. There were a lot of problems, there were no spares, he rated the aircraft "death traps". They could not be flown operationally, they were sold for scrap for $30,000. Mind boggling.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Anorak
From what i read they had far more troops in Afghanistan and were there longer then the plan allowed for. I really feel for the afghani's as they get f-over yet again.
they were f-ed over the same as the Kurds twice now.
that sort of aid deals are common. the South Vietnamese army was given nearly every A1 Spad the US had millions of M16s a heap of stuff they never had any ability to use.
NZ benefited greatly after WW2 as we got all the GMC tracks for a pittance as they were costly to send back to the USA.
there is a lot of US govt contractor corruption as well on top of that.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/h...13-3?r=US&IR=T
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Forum whore
I remember seeing a place down Seaview Road, over the road from the Ford plant with heaps of WWII ex-army trucks for sale. (fuck I'm old)
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Religion. Isn't it great?
Women are 50% of this planet's humans. But let's treat them like shit. Because God.
Fuck gods arse hard.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
It is quite impressive to see the amount of feminists' and "woke" people getting on an aircraft and heading to Afganistan to put the tallitubbies in their place!
Did anyone else see the talitubbie "commander" pissing himself with laughter when a female journalist asked about women / voting / having a place in the new Afghan government?
How deluded are these people?
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
So you are saying that because they are so insencend with the zealots cunty behavior that they deserve to be murdered for their conviction?
Haha very funny.
Let's kick babies heads off.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
The Majestic Metal Wizard
No, we are saying that people should fight for what they believe in, rather than complain that someone else isn't fighting on their behalf.
Especially when they are strong independent Women that don't need no man.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
There was recent footage of an Afghan woman stating "why won't anyone come and fight the taliban for us!". Fuck's sake, there has been 20yrs of "the world" doing this for you and now you are complaining! Dopey bint.
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
Forum whore
Whoever the "West" was fighting for in Afghanistan, it wasn't the local people. The Russians did more for the Afghan people in their short tenure, building housing, schools,water systems, roads, etc.
The "West" covertly then openly supported the Northern Alliance against the Socialist government because, communists, and among other things, wanted a route for the pipeline to get oil from the 'stans to the Arabian sea.
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
(PostalDave on ADVrider)
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
The Ruskies did leave the odd mine though. That wasn't so helpful.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Anorak
Shit most of the reason the US was supporting the Mujahideen rebels was they were fighting the USSR.
Same as with the korean and the Vietnamese wars aad practicallally every other proxy war since WW2.
The oddest ones were the ones in the 1970s where you have 10,000s of Cuban troops in Africa.
Ogaden WarThe Cuban military presence in Africa was especially notable, with up to 50,000 troops being deployed to Angola alone
By the mid 1980s, a quarter of Cuba's total military strength was committed to its internationalist missions, fighting with socialist governments or factions in various civil conflicts. At least 200,000 Cuban citizens had served overseas with the FAR in a number of capacities
Shaba I
Mozambican Civil War
Yemenite War of 1979
Ethiopian–Somali Border War
South African Border War
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