Biden

[TheDemonLord]

Yep, I did see that. Trumps aim is to turn the white house into the worlds largest unscripted reality tv show. And your average maga will lap that shit up.

The thing is though, some of these picks, even though inexperienced, could well do ok. As long as they listen to the right advice from the experts in their departments working under them. Tulsi Gabbard for instance could make a good fist of things, as will some others. However, if you assign enough clowns, as trump has then you get a circus, then the wheels will start to fall off fairly rapidly for those poor departments.
The bonus for us is the dems are handing over an ok economy, not great, but not that bad either. This means with the maga mob holding the whitehouse, the senate, the house and the supreme court. So when the wheels do fall off, the likes of our resident trump apologist wont have a blade of grass to hide behind and will need to stock up on keyboards, because all the misdirection and bullshit required to defend the indefensible will become a full time job .

Okay - serious question here:

Let us say for the sake of argument that Trumps policies do not hurt the economy (in the way that Bidens policies objectively did) - let us also for the sake of argument assume that all the wildest Fever dreams of the MAGA types come true - that the ATF is disbanded, the DoE is disbanded, a whole bunch of partisan civil servants are fired and the reach of the Federal Government is severely curtailed.

(Quick point scoring comment - classic Dictator move 101 - shrink the Government and limit Government power)

If the US doesnt implode and the Economy doesnt tank - How will you interpret that?

There are some Trump Policies, where I know what the desired outcome is, I know how the Policy hoped to work - and I am not sure if it will or will not.

I am looking at what Jarvier Milei is doing in Argentina and what happens there - so far, Argentina hasnt collapsed - By objective accounts, the countries Inflation has been brought under control. Some sources say that his de-regulation of the Rental market has increased the available rental properties and brought prices down.

[sugilite:Me]

Geez man WTF? She's a Russian asset. US allies are seriously considering withholding intelligence from the US because she will likely send it straight tp Putin.

Gabbard isn't the only joke though.

You will have to forgive me, I have trouble differentiating the difference between maga and russia these days, they look pretty much the same to me.

And yes, largely agree about the other clowns, but some will do better than expected I'm sure.

[sugilite:Me]

Okay - serious question here:

(Quick point scoring comment - classic Dictator move 101 - shrink the Government and limit Government power)

Trump never does anything by the book, his path towards dictatorship will be no different.

If the US doesnt implode and the Economy doesnt tank - How will you interpret that?

I would interpret that as me being wrong about trump and would admit as much. Will you have the courage to to the same if it turns to shit?. As my retirement plan is stretching ever further away in this NZ economy, if trumps america is the nirvana you project it to be I would likely move over there again and run the same operation that I am here over there and spend 9 months of the year in the usa and the summer back here. Go trump!!!!! (unfortunately I have not seen one shred of evidence that he will pull it off, as the man is an easily manipulated egotistical oaf.)

[TheDemonLord]

No rebuttal, so I will assume you do not have any compelling sources of your own?

No need to rebut, the Source proved my point - Trump complied with the FBI, twice - then was raided. Different treatment.

So how did maga get it so wrong, and scream biden and the fbi were out to assassinate trump! The fox news commenters were near 100% going on in that vein, as were maga surrogates, not just space laser girl. (Please note to anyone reading this - tdl does not read foxnews.) Maybe they were not reading it through the nitpicking misdirection lens you are but rather took it EXACTLY as it was meant to be received?

So, the News Media lied and put two separate statements together, then this was picked up as fact by both sides - one aghast at the continued partisan attacks against its preferred candidate, the other outraged at such a distasteful notion.

One wonders why it got legs...

Based on the evidense and subsequent conviction, clearly the man had his opinion. Hardly an ethical pick for an ambassador position, but trump loves his nepotism.

Well, he was appointed as an Ambassador to France - so experience with Hookers, Blackmail and mistresses is practically a job requirement

Again, I think the Prosecutor might be over-egging it a little.

On the Nepotism comment - so, I think it was on the JRE interview this was covered - he talked about when he first was President, he listened to the recieved wisdom of people - and the result was people who were invested in the Status Quo and not invested in Trumps agenda.

We can discuss the merits of this separately - however for levity - specifically the last ~30 seconds.

That is the classic view of the Civil Servant - of having no opinion on Policy (yes, for avid watchers of Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister - you will note this is not true...) but carrying out diligently the agenda of the Government.

However Trumps point was that he wanted to do certain things and was obstructed from carrying it out by unelected beaurocrats. You might hold the opinion that those same unlected beaurocrats were trying to safeguard the country from the largese of Trump or other such justifications, however that is a separate discussion (as above).

And so Trump, in his second (and last term) is determined to carry out his policy(s) and is appointing people who will assist him in doing it.

Now, for the real philosophical view:

Is that not the ultimate expression of Democracy? The people vote someone in to do XYZ, that person appoints people to XYZ. Either it works or it fails - and Democracy will have been upheld.

Whereas if people who are not voted in, thwart the will of the people who voted to do XYZ - then what?

Exactly, precedent set, well done president trump

Apple and Orange.

[sugilite:Me]

another wall

I'm sorry, your never ending nitpicking and ignoring facts like loooooong time frames has used up all your allocation of sugi reply credits

[TheDemonLord]

Trump never does anything by the book, his path towards dictatorship will be no different.

I find it amusing that on the one hand, people point to all these historic warning signs and on the other say that he doesn't do things by the book.

Which is it?

I would interpret that as me being wrong about trump and would admit as much. Will you have the courage to to the same if it turns to shit?.

Sure - if we can agree on what the definition of Turn to shit is.

I remember a bold prediction I made about the 2024 election that if Trump got much the same votes as last time (which he did) and the Democrat candidate got significantly less than last time (which they objectively did) - whether or not you would agree that at the very least 2020 is an outlier.

I put forward that Trump is just as divisive and contentious now as he was in 2016 and 2020 - and would even go so far that for the Democrat base - who we must believe were so galvanized against Trump to vote in record numbers in 2020, after the Roe overturn, after the 'conviction', after everything went 'Nah, I don't think I am going to vote this year' - to the tune of 10 Million votes.

I gave plenty of outs that it doesn't prove anything and is not evidence of anything. Just that all those factors combined, it is not unreasonable to say the 2020 was suspcious.

As my retirement plan is stretching ever further away in this NZ economy, if trumps america is the nirvana you project it to be I would likely move over there again and run the same operation that I am here over there and spend 9 months of the year in the usa and the summer back here. Go trump!!!!! (unfortunately I have not seen one shred of evidence that he will pull it off, as the man is an easily manipulated egotistical oaf.)

I am not sure if it will be Nirvana - I mean I have my hopes, but realistically things move slowly.

Maybe I shouldnt be so hopeful, so we will have more time to catch up

[sugilite:Me]

I find it amusing that on the one hand, people point to all these historic warning signs and on the other say that he doesn't do things by the book. Which is it?

Both can be true simultaneously eh

Sure - if we can agree on what the definition of Turn to shit is.

After witnessing your nit picking, hair splitting and misdirection over the years, I have zero faith that you are capable of abandoning a position no matter how ridiculous that position looks. I have a solid track record of admitting when I get it wrong, ala the apology to the only person on kb I genuinely disliked - bonez. Swallowing a dead rat does not even begin to cover that apology, and admitting I'm wrong about trump would be a walk in the park by comparison.

I remember a bold prediction I made about the 2024 election that if Trump got much the same votes as last time (which he did) and the Democrat candidate got significantly less than last time (which they objectively did) - whether or not you would agree that at the very least 2020 is an outlier.

And I predicted that if the dems chose harris they would lose and they did. Every election has it's special circumstances. the 2020 people were absolutely exhausted by trumps daily drama (short memory dickheads), but mainly covid shook shit up.

I put forward that Trump is just as divisive and contentious now as he was in 2016 and 2020 - and would even go so far that for the Democrat base - who we must believe were so galvanized against Trump to vote in record numbers in 2020, after the Roe overturn, after the 'conviction', after everything went 'Nah, I don't think I am going to vote this year' - to the tune of 10 Million votes.

I guess there must have been 10 million black men barber shop dudes Harris was the wrong person and sincerely, the magas ran a far more superior misinformation campaign. Joe is out to assassinate trump! They are eating the cats and dogs! They are aborting babies after birth! Thomas is not corrupt!

I gave plenty of outs that it doesn't prove anything and is not evidence of anything. Just that all those factors combined, it is not unreasonable to say the 2020 was suspcious.

So you would have me believe that the dastardly dems were clever enough to avoid getting caught cheating in 2020, then had 4 years to further perfect their technique, but fell short by 10 million votes. With all due respect, you can fuck right off with that malarkey!

I am not sure if it will be Nirvana - I mean I have my hopes, but realistically things move slowly.

Slowly like the wall you mean? It should not be slow at all, he has the house, senate, presidency, supreme court and smash, bash, rip bust and burn musk with ramaswami there for Indian takeout - I EXPECT speed, there is literally nothing left in his way now. I'm not kidding bro, you aint gonna have a blade of grass to hide behind!

Maybe I shouldnt be so hopeful, so we will have more time to catch up

Lemon Lime and Bitters tastes all the sweeter when laxing out on a cache of US Dollars while enjoying a balmy nz summers day

[Dean]

Hey Sug, whatever happened to Bonez?

He was a character alright. We got on though.

Was he pro democrat or republican? I don’t think we ever talked about politics. Last we spoke he was shortly after placed in the naughty corner of KB.

[sugilite:Me]

Hey Sug, whatever happened to Bonez?

He was a character alright. We got on though.

Was he pro democrat or republican? I don’t think we ever talked about politics. Last we spoke he was shortly after placed in the naughty corner of KB.

Well, I think bonez was actually quite ill there at the end of his kb tenure and may well of passed on. My biggest problem with him was in person personality was fairly mild and we got on just fine on the 7 or 8 times I met him in person. I fully acknowledge he was very knowledgeable on a range of subjects and a more passionate motorcyclist would be difficult to find. Furthermore he would go out of his way to help people and share his knowledge of all things motorcycle, and IT among others. Unfortunately, well at least the way I view it his online personality was complete keyboard warrior and the difference between real life and fake online bravado for me was particularly grating. As for his political leanings he was very much pro right/republican to the point he could easily carve up tdl on right handed corners.

[Dean]

Well, I think bonez was actually quite ill there at the end of his kb tenure and may well of passed on.

Very sad to hear - was not aware he was unwell.

My biggest problem with him was in person personality was fairly mild and we got on just fine on the 7 or 8 times I met him in person. I fully acknowledge he was very knowledgeable on a range of subjects and a more passionate motorcyclist would be difficult to find. Furthermore he would go out of his way to help people and share his knowledge of all things motorcycle, and IT among others. Unfortunately, well at least the way I view it his online personality was complete keyboard warrior and the difference between real life and fake online bravado for me was particularly grating.

Ah I see, he sure was a character online sometimes so I understand where you’re coming from. Never met him in person myself but got to know a bit about him/his family through convo etc. I guess I never had those same experiences as you. But yeah his passion and knowledge for motorcycles always came across strongly.

As for his political leanings he was very much pro right/republican to the point he could easily carve up tdl on right handed corners.

Could imagine Bonez speaking his mind on this Biden thread.

[sugilite:Me]

Could imagine Bonez speaking his mind on this Biden thread.

I think if you asked bonez what his greatest achievement was on kb, he would say that getting the original trump thread moved to pd, and I think it was about the size and age of the current one when that happened.
Mind you, I think Berries started up the trump thread mark 2 about 5 minutes later

[Berries]

Mind you, I think Berries started up the trump thread mark 2 about 5 minutes later

Purely as a piss take.

I never knew so many people (well, three or four of you) in a tiny little country at the bottom of the world would waste so much time and energy arguing about American politics. Can I even call it politics?

[Dean]

I think if you asked bonez what his greatest achievement was on kb, he would say that getting the original trump thread moved to pd, and I think it was about the size and age of the current one when that happened.
Mind you, I think Berries started up the trump thread mark 2 about 5 minutes later

Yeah I can believe that

[sugilite:Me]

Purely as a piss take.

I never knew so many people (well, three or four of you) in a tiny little country at the bottom of the world would waste so much time and energy arguing about American politics. Can I even call it politics?

Congratulations for having what would have to be the longest running piss take in kb history!

I think of it as a unscripted reality tv show these days, even more so now trump is only hiring TV show hosts for his cabinet

[Berries]

Congratulations for having what would have to be the longest running piss take in kb history!

No. Thank you and TDL for keeping it going.