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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Meanwhile, Wayne Beattie​, a Detective Sergeant with Gisborne police who took part in a Tūhoe-sanctioned search and rescue operation at Lake Waikaremoana in November, says he was shocked by the state of facilities.

    The Whanganui Hut had been vandalised, with condoms and human waste left on the floor, gang slogans drawn on the furniture and slats from the bunks used as firewood.

    Other huts were in a poor state, with guttering pulled down or collapsed and empty water tanks, Beattie says, while “thousands of dollars’ worth” of pest traps were unused and rotting on the ground.
    Sad reading, having walked around the lake, stayed in three of the huts, and visited the others. It's a popular walk, I encountered groups of foreign visitors from Germany, Switzerland, and Israel. It's not a very good advertisement for the country in the current state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    This will come as news to one of our resident IT experts who seems tp lack a basic understanding of social media. This is not the original item I saw with screenshots of Telegram posts, but it's an article by David Farrier who I normally don't admire but will give kudos for this.

    https://www.webworm.co/p/capitolriots
    Meh. I doubt it.
    US has had some F'ed up stuff in the last few decades. Whiles its been bad, it did make a few more people proactive about how they feel (for good and bad reasons). People blamed social media but these folks were f'ed up to begin with, social media just amplified them.

    Meanwhile back in NZ. We have spent 50 years on perfecting how to boil a frog.
    Last solid protests were against apartheid. Even the motorcycle tax protests barely moved the needle.

    Politicians don't even fear the public. They could ask for you first born or you left kidney and 30% of kiwi's would be compliant by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    No. You missed the point. Again.
    No I havent. YOU fail to recognise that 55 million of taxpayer dollars has been used to purchase the media outlets of NZ - so long as they meet certain "output requirements" which are provided by this government.
    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    The NZ media over $50 million.... all those little vid clips on stuff or herald where you see made with funding from nz on air.... that money is ONLY for clips that meet certain govt defined criteria.
    That’s why you see one puff piece after another about climate/race based inequality/digital currency/euthanasia/cycling/tinyhouses/workingfromhome/owningnothing.....

    We have for the FIRST time in NZ history a prime minister with FIVE press secretaries and many of cabinet ministers also having more than one. We got to see recently what happens when a journalist asks questions not on the pre approved script.
    Thank fuck someone can comprehend this shit.

    Has KB been dumbed down even further recently with fuckwits and autistic cunts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    No I havent. YOU fail to recognise that 55 million of taxpayer dollars has been used to purchase the media outlets of NZ - so long as they meet certain "output requirements" which are provided by this government.

    Thank fuck someone can comprehend this shit.

    Has KB been dumbed down even further recently with fuckwits and autistic cunts?
    I'm kind of confused that anyone pays any attention to any sort of "news" media outlet. You guys know you're just feeding the trolls, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    No I havent. YOU fail to recognise that 55 million of taxpayer dollars has been used to purchase the media outlets of NZ - so long as they meet certain "output requirements" which are provided by this government.

    Thank fuck someone can comprehend this shit.

    Has KB been dumbed down even further recently with fuckwits and autistic cunts?
    Hehe must share positive rep before giving more....

    Just imagine what he’d say if Trump had given media financial assistance with caveats about how the money is spent.

    “Today it’s more important than ever in the era of fake news, that’s you cnn, yes that’s you and you know it; more important than ever that people have access to accurate news. Accurate news that’s important you know. Very important.
    Tremendously important, especially to successful business people like me, spending A LOT of money on big projects, BIG projects making America great again.
    When your doing that, making America great again, it’s tremendously important to have accurate news.
    So today I’m signing the Affordable Media Access bill to authorise the funding of all American media outlets that report on all the ways that Americans are making America great again, even you cnn. Yes even cnn will be eligible, they more than anyone else need to hire some new journalists.”
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    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime...ars-police-say

    Thanks Jacinda making NZ great again... maybe this was the policy to lower house prices? Despite her/HNZ moving two gang families into my street prices have still gone up like rocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    No I havent. YOU fail to recognise that 55 million of taxpayer dollars has been used to purchase the media outlets of NZ - so long as they meet certain "output requirements" which are provided by this government.
    I'm not sure that $55 million would be enough to 'purchase' an industry that still has revenues in the multiple $100s of millions, albeit those are in steady decline. I agree that the Public Interest Journalism Fund is a problematic solution to the cost cutting measures most are being forced to take, but if your thesis is that he who pays the piper calls the tune, shouldn't we be just as concerned about private ownership as we are about taxpayer funding?

    If the problem is you're reading things online which don't appear in the general 'media', you might like to consider that traditional local media are considered 'publishers' and therefore subject to long standing legal redress and regulation.

    Overseas based online platforms aren't yet subject to the same level of scrutiny, and are fighting tooth and nail not to be.

    I'm still seeing articles published in local media critical of the government and its policies. If they were to disappear altogether, then yes, that would be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    I agree that the Public Interest Journalism Fund is a problematic solution to the cost cutting measures most are being forced to take, but if your thesis is that he who pays the piper calls the tune, shouldn't we be just as concerned about private ownership as we are about taxpayer funding?
    Well, that depends.

    You can have the classical BBC solution (which used to be the gold standard in terms of unbiased reporting and content) - which is a very strict set of rules to prevent Bias or in cases where there is an issue that could be perceived as being biased that it's handled in such a way to present both sides fairly.

    Or you can have the CNN/Fox solution - whereby both sides of an argument are represented, but represented on a single platform. This does run the risk of Echo Chambers, but whenever I watch something from CNN, I take a massive grain of salt that I'm watching the Democrat party narrative. When I watch something from Fox, Likewise but from the Republican view.


    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    If the problem is you're reading things online which don't appear in the general 'media', you might like to consider that traditional local media are considered 'publishers' and therefore subject to long standing legal redress and regulation.

    Overseas based online platforms aren't yet subject to the same level of scrutiny, and are fighting tooth and nail not to be.
    And you've hit the nail on the head - you have platforms such as Twitter, Youtube etc. taking editorial stances on certain issues/people - which is in contradiction to their claims of just being a platform.

    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    I'm still seeing articles published in local media critical of the government and its policies. If they were to disappear altogether, then yes, that would be a problem.
    I've seen some critique, but I think it's fair to say the following:

    The critique of the government by the media has been more strident when it comes to concepts that the Left-Wing Media is favourable to (such as wanting more to be done for Climate Change) than it has for issues that are in violation of our natural human rights (Vaccine Mandates).

    Today, however, I was bouyed by the fact that some businesses have publicly stated they will not discriminate based on Vaccination status and so are moving either to takeaway only models or simply not checking.

    They will receive my continued business, the Cowards who post signs of 'we don't want to do it, but are doing it anyway' will not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    .... but if your thesis is that he who pays the piper calls the tune, shouldn't we be just as concerned about private ownership as we are about taxpayer funding?

    If the problem is you're reading things online which don't appear in the general 'media', you might like to consider that traditional local media are considered 'publishers' and therefore subject to long standing legal redress and regulation.

    Overseas based online platforms aren't yet subject to the same level of scrutiny, and are fighting tooth and nail not to be.

    I'm still seeing articles published in local media critical of the government and its policies. If they were to disappear altogether, then yes, that would be a problem.
    Valid points.... but the thing with private ownership is they have to produce a product consumers are WILLING to buy. It’s no coincidence that the decline in media independence through corporate ownership and in our case state sponsorship that people don’t want to BUY the product.

    Technology took away MAJOR production costs for media outlets but in the rush to be first with the news and get as revenue based on click counts they’ve thrown away the quality and accuracy element along with any rational independent scrutiny of statements.
    I just love Fluff news latest beggar banner where they say “hey you pay for streaming movies, you pay to curate your music in cloud, you pay for the latest blah blah you get it...” but they completely miss they are giving example of QUALITY products or services that people are Happy with.

    Yes there are some articles critical of govt and been increasing lately but no where near what they used to be against both parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    I'm kind of confused that anyone pays any attention to any sort of "news" media outlet. You guys know you're just feeding the trolls, right?
    Sadly the taxpayers are being milked to feed the problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by nerrrd View Post
    I'm not sure that $55 million would be enough to 'purchase' an industry...
    OK, perhap rephrase it to "rent for a while"?
    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    Technology took away MAJOR production costs for media outlets but in the rush to be first with the news...
    Sadly we still have the current level of journalists' and their particular approaches to writing an article.
    Even worse is the editor and his/her a: lack of oversight, b: particular bias, c: ineptitude.
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    Won't the world be a better place when we have someone as impartial as you at the tiler of the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Won't the world be a better place when we have someone as impartial as you at the tiler of the media.
    Well, I've been on record on this site on numerous times supporting the right to speak/post of people that I vigorously disagree with, so....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    ... Sadly we still have the current level of journalists' and their particular approaches to writing an article.
    Even worse is the editor and his/her a: lack of oversight, b: particular bias, c: ineptitude.
    Like journalists that edit their articles with Spellcheck. The words used are spelt correctly ... just the grammatical errors remain. ie: Correct spelling ... but incorrect or wrong words used.
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    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/30046...ed-in-miq-quit

    Yet another own goal by this govt, wrecked our military.
    I’d say the numbers are worse than reported as most kiwis don’t like to be negative and bridge burning when they leave somewhere. It’s a small place and you may have to go back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post

    Just imagine what he’d say if Trump had given media financial assistance with caveats about how the money is spent.
    You mean like the provisos on it being spent on having local reporters based in NZ reporting on NZ stories
    How dare they......




    Where was your outrage over this
    The latest Crown financial statements show that National’s failed asset sales have carved a path of destruction through the government books,
    The Financial Statements show that the sale of Meridian for below its book value wiped $378 million off the Crown’s net worth. This stands in stark contrast to the Government’s assumption that it would sell the assets for $700 million more than they were valued at on the government accounts. Additionally, the Financial Statements show that the ‘buy now, pay later’ scheme for Meridian has cost $33 million and ‘direct sales costs’ were $21 million. That is additional to more than $9 million spent by Meridian and Treasury in preparation for the sale.
    "Selling Meridian for a low price has wiped $378 million off the Crown’s net wealth. Add to that, $33 million for the ‘buy now, pay later’ scheme, $21 million for brokers, lawyers, and ad-men, and millions more for Treasury and Meridian staff costs. That’s $450 million lost on just one asset sale.
    "The sale of Mighty River cost a further $66 million in sales costs and has so far cost the public $49 million in lost dividends.
    "National said that the cost of the asset sales would be minimal and the sales would go so well that they would sell the companies for more than they were worth. The opposite has happened.
    "The taxpayer has lost hundreds of millions of dollars, and so have the ordinary Kiwi families who were conned into buying these shares by National’s $8 million ad campaign.
    When Key gave private companies billions of dollars i find it odd he never asked for any conditions

    Company name Entry date in scheme Failure date Amount paid out
    Allied Nationwide Finance Limited 19 November 2008 20 August 2010 $131.0m
    Equitable Mortgages Limited 4 December 2008 26 November 2010 $140.2m
    Mascot Finance Limited 12 January 2009 2 March 2009 $70.0m
    Mutual Finance Limited 13 November 2008 14 July 2010 $9.2m
    Rockforte Finance Limited 20 February 2009 10 May 2010 $4.0m
    South Canterbury Finance Limited 19 November 2008 31 August 2010 $1,580.3m
    Strata Finance Limited 19 November 2008 31 August 2010 $0.5m
    Viaduct Capital Limited 13 November 2008 14 May 2010 $7.6m
    Vision Securities Limited 5 December 2008 1 April 2010 $30.0m
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