Jacinda

[FJRider]

Not at all... Since we are comparing NZ with NZ. So denser city = more cases.

I said I've been in smaller cities with larger populations. I never said where ... and Dorklands population density has little to do with the number of covid positive people coming into Dorkland.

And any infected person going into any city or town ... is likely to infect others and transmit the virus. Be it Christchurch, Nelson or Dorkland.

The only case you are proving is that the relative insulation we've had from Covid is more to do with Geographic features than government policy.

As above. The numbers of infected people arriving at one (International) airport makes all the difference. And Dorkland has had plenty arriving.

The problem is that the majority did follow the rules, but the rules are so useless that it only took a miniscule amount of non-compliance for it to break.

Sneaking out of MIQ ... visiting nightclubs before they were given the all clear is hardly "Minuscule" ... but regardless of why ... they knew they were not following the rules. Just like being caught traveling just a "Little" over the speed limit.

That 'IF' is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting. And Freedom isn't conditional by it's very definition.

I've never been denied access to any places I wanted to visit ... sounds like freedom to me. And I've seen plenty DENIED access to some places ... and were free to leave before the Police were called.

Access allowed to those WITH a covid pass IS conditional actually. Even freedom has it's rules of conduct in any society.

'We didn't agree with leading the Jews into those *ahem* Showers, but it was the rules so we did it'

WE ... ??? I wasn't there and neither were you.

Moral Cowardice in the face of Tyranny.

But the pay was good.

Will he?

He's in Dunedin. We follow the rules.

[TheDemonLord]

I said I've been in smaller cities with larger populations. I never said where ... and Dorklands population density has little to do with the number of covid positive people coming into Dorkland.

And any infected person going into any city or town ... is likely to infect others and transmit the virus. Be it Christchurch, Nelson or Dorkland.

As above. The numbers of infected people arriving at one (International) airport makes all the difference. And Dorkland has had plenty arriving.

Except density increases each interaction. More interactions = more chances to pass it on.

Sneaking out of MIQ ... visiting nightclubs before they were given the all clear is hardly "Minuscule" ... but regardless of why ... they knew they were not following the rules. Just like being caught traveling just a "Little" over the speed limit.

Sure... Person A breaks the rules (naughty naughty), and encounters Persons B, C and D who are all following the rules.

If the rules work, then persons B, C and D won't pass it on.
If the rules don't work, then persons B, C and D will pass it on.

Guess which one happened....

I've never been denied access to any places I wanted to visit ... sounds like freedom to me. And I've seen plenty DENIED access to some places ... and were free to leave before the Police were called.

Access allowed to those WITH a covid pass IS conditional actually.

So it's not Freedom then.

Even freedom has it's rules of conduct in any society.

Yep, can't have those Jews infecting our Aryan spaces...

[FJRider]

Except density increases each interaction. More interactions = more chances to pass it on.

The more people (Aucklanders) that break the rules ... the more interactions you'll get. And the more it spreads. Total lockdown of Auckland is needed now. That'll teach the fuckwits.

Sure... Person A breaks the rules (naughty naughty), and encounters Persons B, C and D who are all following the rules.

Person "A" in Auckland. I rest my case for their total lockdown.

If the rules work, then persons B, C and D won't pass it on.

Then plan A should be ... Follow the rules. Oh wait ... IT IS.

If the rules don't work, then persons B, C and D will pass it on.

Rules can only work if people follow the rules. And too many don't. But it's not their fault ... apparently.

It's the density of pricks in Auckland that don't follow the rules ... that is the problem.

Guess which one happened....

See above.

Dunedin follows the rules ... no (reported) covid cases here. See ... the rules DO work ... you just have to follow the rules.


So simple. Even you should understand that.

So it's not Freedom then.

I can go where I please ... sounds like freedom to me. But it's Dunedin ... not Auckland ... It might be different up there.

[TheDemonLord]

The more people (Aucklanders) that break the rules ... the more interactions you'll get. And the more it spreads. Total lockdown of Auckland is needed now. That'll teach the fuckwits.

Person "A" in Auckland. I rest my case for their total lockdown.

Then plan A should be ... Follow the rules. Oh wait ... IT IS.

Rules can only work if people follow the rules. And too many don't. But it's not their fault ... apparently.

It's the density of pricks in Auckland that don't follow the rules ... that is the problem.

See above.

Dunedin follows the rules ... no (reported) covid cases here. See ... the rules DO work ... you just have to follow the rules.

The only thing that isn't their fault is that the rules don't work. Dunedin has half the population density of Auckland, that alone is either a reduction of 50% (if it scales linearly) or potentially much more (if it's a square function, which I suspect it might be)

But again, if the rules worked, isolated rule breakers wouldn't be an issue. But they don't. And should be scrapped.

I can go where I please ... sounds like freedom to me. But it's Dunedin ... not Auckland ... It might be different up there.

It might be, I wouldn't know. But can you go where you please without showing your papers?

[Oakie]

Why did you forfeit? Was the magazine unalterably bigger than 10 rounds?

Yep. 15 rounds and not really alterable. I explored getting a 10 round mag but didn't have any luck.

[neels]

Please, can we keep the multiquoting covid arguments to the covid thread, and keep this one on track for those that want to bag Aunty Cindy and her communist ways.

Three threads of the same arguments is, IMHO, totally unecessary.

[Indiana_Jones]

But the plebs love Labour, they gave them 50% of the vote, surely they don't have buyers remorse?

[Kickaha]

But the plebs love Labour, they gave them 50% of the vote, surely they don't have buyers remorse?

How do you know it was all the plebs ?

[TheDemonLord]

Please, can we keep the multiquoting covid arguments to the covid thread, and keep this one on track for those that want to bag Aunty Cindy and her communist ways.

Three threads of the same arguments is, IMHO, totally unecessary.

Fair enough - although personally, it's relevant to Stalinda - Communists always revert to top-down government with more and more beaurocracy, regulation and restrictions.

[TheDemonLord]

But the plebs love Labour, they gave them 50% of the vote, surely they don't have buyers remorse?

It's the university educated middle class that's the issue.

Most of the Lower classes aren't onboard with Labour's more radical positions (just look what happened in the UK), but Labour still has the veneer of working class support.

However people like the Farmers, Truckers, Small Business owner - they are starting to see through the facade.

[FJRider]

One would hope not as they have all sat in the same spot unmoved for years and the bottom of the road wheels are rotten on everything except the Centurion.

I was in the Army in Waiouru when it opened. They drove all the vehicles to the Museum.

Including the Centurian. It was the last one they had .. that moved under it's own power.

[R650R]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opini...-rorts-to-come

[mashman]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opini...-rorts-to-come

Could be the beginnings of a Targeted Basic Income. lol@rort potential. I'd love to know how it's being paid for, coz I can't see any insurance company or bank or any other financial entity underwriting such a bonkers application of a helicopter drop.

[R650R]

Could be the beginnings of a Targeted Basic Income. lol@rort potential. I'd love to know how it's being paid for, coz I can't see any insurance company or bank or any other financial entity underwriting such a bonkers application of a helicopter drop.

Cmon you know how it’s paid for doesn’t matter to Commie dictators 😂😂😂

IÂ’d say about a 3% tax on personal income.... thatÂ’s slightly below what commercial brokers recommend you should be willing to spend for private loss of income insurance. So just like ACC motorbike premiums the more successful and less likely to claim the more you will pay vs the leaner biker on unregistered shitter with canvas tyres.....
Tag on a big speech straight from the horses mouth about equality and the creation of a flexible labour pool where people are alledgely more willing to travel for and take up shorter term employment/seasonal work....
My job is slightly seasonal and my employer would love the massive cost saving to be able to give me a four month holiday paid for by the govt knowing I’ll be back again when “ things get better” 😂😂😂😂
I canÂ’t see how they can justify this at all though given across all industries thereÂ’s a massive shortage of skilled labour let alone ones that can pass a drug test and actually turn up to job interview.
Well we seen the results of kiwibuild (100,000homesxyeah right), ending child poverty, affordable homes, crimewave yeah there’s no way this could be anything g but a success 😂😂😂😉

[mashman]

Cmon you know how it’s paid for doesn’t matter to Commie dictators 😂😂😂

IÂ’d say about a 3% tax on personal income.... thatÂ’s slightly below what commercial brokers recommend you should be willing to spend for private loss of income insurance. So just like ACC motorbike premiums the more successful and less likely to claim the more you will pay vs the leaner biker on unregistered shitter with canvas tyres.....
Tag on a big speech straight from the horses mouth about equality and the creation of a flexible labour pool where people are alledgely more willing to travel for and take up shorter term employment/seasonal work....
My job is slightly seasonal and my employer would love the massive cost saving to be able to give me a four month holiday paid for by the govt knowing I’ll be back again when “ things get better” 😂😂😂😂
I canÂ’t see how they can justify this at all though given across all industries thereÂ’s a massive shortage of skilled labour let alone ones that can pass a drug test and actually turn up to job interview.
Well we seen the results of kiwibuild (100,000homesxyeah right), ending child poverty, affordable homes, crimewave yeah there’s no way this could be anything g but a success 😂😂😂😉

Semantics probably, but I reckon that they very much care how it's paid for (support is important after all, else truckers), but don't care where it comes from. Bottom line: Money, like bitcoin, will be created on the basis of perception. So long as people don't complain (which they won't given their diverse portfolio of a never ending stream of only ever increasing in value into the long term digital currency portfolio), they'll print it how they like simply to keep the economy going without having to constantly make excuses that defy free market theology. They have no choice. There is no other source of justifiable money creation. QE is fucked. Capitalists are easy to take along for the ride, because they don't actually know where money comes from nor how it circulates around the economy v's the true value of what's being sold etc..., because when they think about the economics highlight just how silly capitalism is to be using in this day and age.

Commies don't use financial autonomy as tools to lead the people into communism. Totalitarians do... but hey, digital currency beyond your wildest dreams... you're gonna prove Klaus right arencha? You already are, Comrade