Jacinda

[TheDemonLord]

but rather the many examples of untended consequences from legislation that has to call into question the competence of the people running the country.

I decided to focus on this particular line, as I think it's perhaps the most interesting part.

I have two key comments.

The first is to ask how you know they were unintended?
The second is why do you think that this is a question of Competence?

I've often pointed out that in predominantly left-wing movements (not saying the right doesn't suffer from this, but it was Left Wing institutions that came up with the concept...) - there is often the Useful idiots - people who are otherwise good natured (if not a little naive) who ally themselves with causes that on the surface appear to be good and noble - but are being driven by malevolent actors with an ulterior motive.

Considering Stalinda's political pedigree - namely a Leader of the Socialist youth - what makes you think that the high crime, high costs and breakdown of social cohesion isn't exactly what she is after? Afterall, that's the perfect recipe for a Glorious Revolution - and as a Socialist - whether she says it or not, that is what she wants.

Now, I should point out, I don't think she's quite that clever - but I do think she's being driven by the Philosophy that has that as it's ultimate goal, even if she's not cognizant of where it's taking her.

And as proof of this - I can think of a number of issues where a minority correctly predicted exactly what would happen and pointed to information that was verboten and in some cases suppressed.

Those two facets mean this isn't an honest mistake made by people with good intentions.

[TheDemonLord]

Woot!!! Brian Tamaki for PM!

An interesting comment - I've been on record, multiple times, saying I think he's a Cunt.

But what would a Tamaki PM look like?

I mean we wouldn't have had Lockdowns or any of the other Covid Fascism. So that's pretty good.
His radical form of Christianity means he's inherently opposed to any of the Marxist intersectional/CRT/Gender Theory nonsense. Also a Win.
Low Tax (he prefers 'Donations' ) . Eh - could go either way.
Probably repeal things like the Marriage Equality act, I disagree with repealing it, but then after seeing the LGBTQI+ABCD123 lobby have been pushing - I won't be shedding a tear.

I don't know how far he would push a religious agenda though, I'd like to think that after Covid, he'd realise that trying to force others to live by his beliefs is bad and so wouldn't do things like Mandatory prayer in schools or other religiously inspired policies.

But then, I do think he's a Cunt, so he probably would.









Still, would probably be better than Stalinda.

Not by much, but still better.

[TheDemonLord]

Judith Collins, why didn’t she elicit same level of disdain. People disliked her policies but she was much more respectable.

Nah, Judith Collins was a complete Cunt. Ineffectual, Labour-lite idiot who doesn't understand individualist conservative principles if it came and slapped her in the face.

Helen Clark, didn’t agree with lot of her policies but greatly respected her leadership, enormously successful.

At the time, my main gripe with the Clark government is their beneficiary policy.

In hingsight though - they severely under-invested in Infrastructure, they didn't balance the books properly (who remembers the $8 billion surplus...) and to the tail-end of her premiership, it's clear that she was setting the pavestones for what the Labour party was going to become.

Still, as a Leader at the time, I didn't think she was that bad.

Jenny Shipley, really only the bludgers hated her because she cutvtheir benifits.

Before my time - but if my NZ history is correct, she got rid of the Combat wing of the NZ Air Force. I like Fighter Jets - so that's a big no from me.

Paula Bennet, made some bad choices but still respected for going from solo mum to genuine hard effort into her job.

Massive Hypocrite. Whilst I have some sympathy for the 'Solo Mum made good' point, she did it by comitting Benefit Fraud... and then went after those who did the same. To be clear - I don't like Benefit fraud.

I dislike "Rules for Thee, not for me" types less so.

[mashman]

Klaus and George are getting on. Wonder who could take their places. J & J perhaps

[Swoop]

What a night of celebration! Going by the amount of fireworks being let off and loud party music happening all around the district, her departure is cause for much celebration!

After leading the most unpopular government in a lifetime, failing to deliver on promises, plunging NZ into an inflationary abyss, the giant steaming turd will most probably scuttle off to the UN where her delusionary socialist rhetoric will fit right in.


Unfortunately her departure will be a breeding ground of "alternative" leaders who will be subjected to much bribing and cajoling for support of other minority groups within the party.
This means even further amounts of divisive, race-based, unpopular policies being driven onto us, the citizenry of NZ.

So, the choice of Robertson (print money to balance his dodgy book keeping), The twat who is utterly inept and also likes to ride his bicycle during lockdown (whassisname?) and a bunch of previous other failures who have been cast aside by infighting. The future looks a bit grim for the leftist retards without their cult of personality leader.

[F5 Dave]

Just looks like angry boomer gets angry about them bloody maoris. Think I've seen that one before.


In terms of legislation, the current government is no different to any other government where their particular philosophy drives what and how they legislate.

The thing that varies is people's reaction, which is largely determined by the effect it has on them personally, and much of the time does not include a wider understanding of the reasoning.

What has bothered me in recent times is not so much the ideology of what's been done, because it fits what people would have known before they elected them if they'd bothered to find out, but rather the many examples of untended consequences from legislation that has to call into question the competence of the people running the country.

It will be interesting to watch how it goes from here, I think it was pretty clear that Labour weren't going to win the next election with Jacinda in charge so looks very much like she's reluctantly fallen on her sword. What remains to be seen is if they can detach the party from what for many people seems to be a very personal dislike of her, and find policy to sell that the voters are buying.

I think unintended consequences are a political reality and incompetent actions are what government departments do best no matter who is in charge.

I don't think it was a given she would lose. With the right co parties they would have squeaked in with her I'd bet.
Fuck after those two terms I'd want out of that job and so would most sane people.
Remember the loudest angry men on social media don't actually have the voting majority by a shot. They just think they do.

They are more at danger from the Perhaps we need a change mob.

Who else fears the Rise of the glorious come back kid?
No, not Colin Craig. I mean the Terminator Winston. He sunk Nationals sure fire win last time. (I'll ignore thier sure fire lose attempt withI can't remember his name)..

The thing that I disliked of the late Clarke govt and continued by the Key one, was the Get the numbers on the board, I don't care how philosophy, (and bugger the consequences of the spin to make it look that way). oh we've got a rockstar economy, but not really and the widening social inequity charges on.

[R650R]

Couple of pertinent comments via other people;

It’s not for her to announce the election date, that’s for the new leader to announce.

By lurking around till April to avoid a by election that will prob be an embarrassing repeat of Hamilton west she leaves her electorate with no representation for about six months.

[pritch]

This is one of the last travesties to happen under her watch, the real devil of the detail is about 10mins in for those short on time.

Sorry, he's a clown. You must have more time to waste than me, which is somewhat surprising 'cause I'm retired.

[pritch]

Couple of pertinent comments via other people;

It’s not for her to announce the election date, that’s for the new leader to announce.

She was probably announcing what the party had just decided, so entirely appropriate.

[F5 Dave]

Didn't stop Muldoon making his now famous boozy gaff of bravado. That's why we need a man in charge. They dont get so emotional.

[Berries]

I'd tap it.

[pritch]

plunging NZ into an inflationary abyss,

Are you blaming Ardern for world wide inflation? New Zealand's inflation is lower than comparable countries. Our economy has been rated one of the world's best performing.

The sane people do not regard the government as unpopular, that's for the misinformed misfits that inhabit Telegram.

Those small business owners on the News the other night wanting a change of government were like turkeys wishing for Christmas. Luxon has promised "cuts". Cuts means less money around and less people coming through the doors of their business with cash to spend. But sure they want a National government. Idiots.

[TheDemonLord]

Are you blaming Ardern for world wide inflation? New Zealand's inflation is lower than comparable countries. Our economy has been rated one of the world's best performing.

I'm blaming Ardern for following the same policies that has resulted in the same outcome.

Yes, we are a smaller economy - but the effect is the same.

The sane people do not regard the government as unpopular, that's for the misinformed misfits that inhabit Telegram.

Except you are in the misinformed minority now, the Majority has turned on Ardern, once they saw what some of us saw years ago.

By your own logic - you are now the misinformed misfit.

Those small business owners on the News the other night wanting a change of government were like turkeys wishing for Christmas.

What would small business owners know about the general health of the Economy, I mean it's not like they are directly exposed to rising costs, cost of compliance and decrease in foot traffic...

Oh wait...

Luxon has promised "cuts". Cuts means less money around and less people coming through the doors of their business with cash to spend. But sure they want a National government. Idiots.

So, most of your post I'm happy to write off as just Jacinda Fan-girling. Fine. This line however, is absolutely egregious.

First thing, and I want to be clear:

The Government does not produce.

Let me say it again - The Government does not produce. At best, it only re-distributes - but that is not producing.

I'll be extremely charitable and assume for the moment that the Government is 100% efficient at redistributing - that is, for every Dollar Taxed, that Dollar is re-directed back into the NZ Economy - every Cut, as you say means the same amount of money is around, it's just in the hands of the people who actually earned it and they are now free to spend or invest as they see fit.

If I'm using the absolute best-case scenario for Government spending, then your point is still catastrophically wrong. Cuts don't mean less money around, it means the same amount of money around, but it does mean that the people that have earned that money now have more cash to spend, which means they will be walking through the doors of those small business owners to spend it.

Now, let's take that example and throw in a little reality - namely massive public wastage - and it should be clear that since there is not a 1:1 ratio between the money that is taxed and the money that goes back into the NZ Economy, a reduction in taxes means that there is even more money for those people to spend.

So that line is even more ridiculous.

Seems all that time in retirement has made you forget how business works...

[husaberg]

Are you blaming Ardern for world wide inflation? New Zealand's inflation is lower than comparable countries. Our economy has been rated one of the world's best performing.

The sane people do not regard the government as unpopular, that's for the misinformed misfits that inhabit Telegram.

Those small business owners on the News the other night wanting a change of government were like turkeys wishing for Christmas. Luxon has promised "cuts". Cuts means less money around and less people coming through the doors of their business with cash to spend. But sure they want a National government. Idiots.

You just have to wonder if they are so unpopular why they are neck and neck with the Nats and why she was about 10 points ahead of luxton...

and talk about debt is not based in reality





compare to Aussie



former polls


may 22

[pete376403]

Except you are in the misinformed minority now, the Majority has turned on Ardern, once they saw what some of us saw years ago....

I will wait for the election to see if this is correct or not.