Jacinda

[roogazza]

I see Gaylord Gump has been awarded a cash payout from something that was reported wrongly ?

I bet that something,was his wearing of an ankle bracelet ?
Ardern had her thunderface on last night. Hahaha (not a good look Gaylord !).

[husaberg]

I see Gaylord Gump has been awarded a cash payout from something that was reported wrongly ?

I bet that something,was his wearing of an ankle bracelet ?
Ardern had her thunderface on last night. Hahaha (not a good look Gaylord !).

plus all those continued rumors re the nanny shagging and getting prego.
That one was always a long shot especially as the nanny was his mother in law.

[pritch]

I see Gaylord Gump has been awarded a cash payout from something that was reported wrongly ?

I'm not sure "reported wrongly" quite covers it. More like reporting rumour as fact. Several 'would be journalists' probably won't be journalists.

[R650R]

It seems the cost of living helicopter cash is another monumental stuff up....

[TheDemonLord]

It seems the cost of living helicopter cash is another monumental stuff up....

This is why I despair for Christopher Luxon, for every 1 thing he says that is correct and I agree with, he says at least 5 things which are either wrong, Labour-Lite utterances or just plain stupid.

[pritch]

It seems the cost of living helicopter cash is another monumental stuff up....

Did you get yours?

[R650R]

Did you get yours?

I’m measurabley above the threshold thanks

[R650R]

This is why I despair for Christopher Luxon, for every 1 thing he says that is correct and I agree with, he says at least 5 things which are either wrong, Labour-Lite utterances or just plain stupid.

Shows what a train wreck labour is though that such an unpolished diamond can stumble its way ahead in the polls....
All parties except act or greens are very centrist now though all the calculations have been done on what policies earn votes.,,,

[TheDemonLord]

Shows what a train wreck labour is though that such an unpolished diamond can stumble its way ahead in the polls....
All parties except act or greens are very centrist now though all the calculations have been done on what policies earn votes.,,,

Disagree - they aren't very Centrist at all.

Most, with the exception of Act, have accepted the Left Wing paradigm on multiple issues - just look at the interview from Chris Luxon again - where he should have said 'No, that isn't how reality works. That only works in the fictional Communist Utopian fantasy that Labour are operating under' - he doesn't. He accepts their initial premises and then tries to say how National would do it differently - without actual challenging that the underlying assumption is wrong.

It's the same in the UK - it's why the Conservatives have been a big disappointment. Their failure to do anything remotely Conservative, they are still operating under the auspices of the Blair government.

[husaberg]

Shows what a train wreck labour is .,,,

The IMF's general government net debt indicator shows New Zealand's debt at 21.3 percent of GDP in 2023, compared to 31.6 percent in Canada, 40.7 percent in Australia, 71.3 percent in the UK and 94.9 percent in the US.

Funny thing is when national increased our debt to GDP by 20% all the right wingers were "oh the GFC" Keys great.
yet now labour raises it 5% and its a train wreck

notice how, when nationals in power despite dullards claiming otherwise our debt increase and the opposite generally happens under Labour.

I’m measurabley above the threshold thanks

Odd we already established you are in a below min wage profession.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah but things would be much better under a ruler with a penis.

Maybe if you whack it hard enough boys you might make it angry enough to see in you dick pic photos to your religious leaders.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah but things would be much better under a ruler with a Libertarian ideals.

I've fixed it for you.

[TheDemonLord]

Funny thing is when national increased our debt to GDP by 20% all the right wingers were "oh the GFC" Keys great.
yet now labour raises it 5% and its a train wreck
notice how, when nationals in power despite dullards claiming otherwise our debt increase and the opposite generally happens under Labour.

So, a couple of key points - one, I think it's time to (again) pull out my 'Fuck National' card.

Secondly - How did Labour in the early 2000s achieve so low debt? By chronically failing to invest in infrastructure. Remember all those Motorway improvements that were started by the National Government? Yeah - those cost money (Whodathunk).

Thirdly - the GFC wasn't caused directly by either Labour or National party Policy, whereas the Inflation in NZ was directly caused by Labour Policy.

Finally - Labour have been playing a very interpretative game with their facts and figures - Remember the Clarke government with their low unemployment figures (Moving everyone onto a Disability Benefit to make the Numbers look good, sound familiar?) or their Billions in Surplus (which turned out to be Smoke and Mirrors using the ACC funds) or the most recent example - the way that COVID deaths were reported - and you'll remember how a certain someone pointed out how it was inherently deceptive who was then dogpilled by all the Labour Afficianados, only for the Government to backtrack less than 7 days later based on the very critiques I pointed out.

If there are any Dullards here, it's the ones that believe Labour (and for that matter, National too) provide Accurate figures.

[neels]

Funny thing is when national increased our debt to GDP by 20% all the right wingers were "oh the GFC" Keys great.
yet now labour raises it 5% and its a train wreck

notice how, when nationals in power despite dullards claiming otherwise our debt increase and the opposite generally happens under Labour.

Yes, but when National are borrowing money it's to fund tax cuts for rich people, which is acceptable because they'll use it to invest in business (and certainly not to buy a new boat or holiday house). Then all we have to do is wait for that money to trickle down to the workers, and the economy is saved.

Labour just borrow money so people can buy food and pay their bills, and that money (less the 15% they take straight back) just goes directly into the economy so does no good at all

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, but when National are borrowing money it's to fund tax cuts for rich people, which is acceptable because they'll use it to invest in business (and certainly not to buy a new boat or holiday house). Then all we have to do is wait for that money to trickle down to the workers, and the economy is saved.

Or to build all the roads/bridges/extra motorway lanes etc. that Labour neglected to build - that too.

Also - what do you think buying a new Boat or buying a Holiday house is, if not investing?

Last I checked - the SuperYacht industry just from the America's Cup Visits are worth about half a Billion: ($495m in 2000 and $529m in 2003).

All those services have to be paid for, all those goods have to be paid for it all "goes directly into the economy" - as you say.

Labour just borrow money so people can buy food and pay their bills, and that money (less the 15% they take straight back) just goes directly into the economy so does no good at all

And then you get rapid inflation making everyone worse off.

If the Government gives people money - you have increased the money supply, without increasing the supply of goods and services, therefore the demand curve shifts to the right and everything gets more expensive (Monetary Inflation) - See the US currently, Weimar republic in the 1930s, Zimbabwe in 2007 etc. etc.

If the Government Invests Money - paying instead for goods and services (like building a road) - then the supply of goods and services has increased, therefore the rightward shift of the demand curve is offset by a rightward shift in the supply curve.

You don't get the massive inflation and everyone is better off.