Jacinda

[TheDemonLord]

It would seem that where youth crime is concerned the baby was tossed out with the bath water. Family group conferences are fine and many kids will straighten up after an FGC. If the kid doesn't straighten up though, they just keep having conferences even though it is obviously pointless. Unless he does something really serious.

If I may mention a "hypothetical" case? A group of kids break into a house, one holds a knife to the throat of the wife and tells the husband,
"Get the money or I'll kill the bitch."

This hypothetical kid was such a frequent flyer in the youth justice system that he had featured in no less than ten conferencess. It was obvious to the Police who the guilty party was and he was arrested immediately. Next morning he arrived in the local CYF office laughing and joking. Somebody questioned his carefree attitude.
"Why? Nothings going to happen to me."

That was the distillation of what he had learned in his ten conferencess.

He was wrong. He had graduated to a crime serious enough to send him to the big house. The adult one. Hypothetically of course.

Sadly, I've heard very similar 'hypothetical' scenarios from my friends who work in the Justice system.

What you've described is exactly part of the issue - for some kids, an FGC is exactly the right wake-up call that they need to get their life back on track.

The flipside (and this is the part where mainly those on the Left don't get it) - there are some people who are just like the kid in your hypothetical - they don't care and it's just a matter of time till they 'graduate' to something more serious.

[TheDemonLord]

Correct, indeed Why would they listen to Jacinda they sure as shit never listened to Key who was the nz prime minister

*hoists up the 'Fuck National' Flag, allowing it flap merrily in the breeze*

[neels]

This hypothetical kid was such a frequent flyer in the youth justice system that he had featured in no less than ten conferencess. It was obvious to the Police who the guilty party was and he was arrested immediately. Next morning he arrived in the local CYF office laughing and joking. Somebody questioned his carefree attitude.
"Why? Nothings going to happen to me."

That was the distillation of what he had learned in his ten conferencess.

He was wrong. He had graduated to a crime serious enough to send him to the big house. The adult one. Hypothetically of course.

Have had experience with a couple of kids through the FGC process.

Comment from the police present at one of them was along the lines that it would be as effective as the previous ones the kid had been to, that he was just following the example being set by his parents, so they'd keep seeing him for FGC's until he was old enough or did something bad enough to actually get sent to prison.

Also observed the other extreme, where the kid had gone along with his mate and got in the shit, he was heading home to get his arse kicked by his parents and then start working off the costs they'd had to cover.

[roogazza]

These posts made me recall one example.

I used to walk the Beat as a young Cop .I used to talk to the young shit kickers.

One his name was Butch, nice kid , just got into a bit of mischief !

One nightshift at 3am I was called to a motor accident . A car had gone under a parked milk truck.

I picked up Butch's head from in a gutter !!!!! ( quite heavy a human head ?).

But anyway ,some make it some don't.

[R650R]

Oh dear clearers detsils are emerging here of govt agency and media collusion in this saga....

[pritch]

Oh dear clearers detsils are emerging here of govt agency and media collusion in this saga....

I'm not sure what you think you are listening to there. There's no saga and there's no collusion. Yemeni has not got a clue what he is talking about. His previous conviction is, as he himself pointed out, irrelevant.

The NZ Govt decides who they will let into the country and who they will not. End of. It's the same in any country.

At the time we had enough deluded fuckwits running loose here, we didn't need another one.. Simple.

[Berries]

Oh dear clearers detsils are emerging here of govt agency and media collusion in this saga..

Saga? I thought he was just whining.

I wouldn't let him in based solely on the first minute of his video.

[neels]

I'll have to to with the immigration decision on this one, don' t think we need to be letting people into the country with convictions for assaulting and harassing their partners, particularly when they are the sort of people who consider such things to only be minor offences.

The main point of the video actually seems to be to try and get people to give him money, there are probably people stupid enough that they will.

[onearmedbandit]

I'll have to to with the immigration decision on this one, don' t think we need to be letting people into the country with convictions for assaulting and harassing their partners, particularly when they are the sort of people who consider such things to only be minor offences.

The main point of the video actually seems to be to try and get people to give him money, there are probably people stupid enough that they will.

While I couldn't give two hoots about this guy and his video didn't the court also deem it as a minor offense?

[neels]

While I couldn't give two hoots about this guy and his video didn't the court also deem it as a minor offense?

He was charged with summary offences for assault and harassment, admitted guilt, and was convicted and sentenced.

Don't know if any of that informs whether the court considers the offence to be minor, but does provide an indication of character, which is what immigration base their decisions on.

It would be enough for Australia to 501 someone back to New Zealand.....

[onearmedbandit]

He was charged with summary offences for assault and harassment, admitted guilt, and was convicted and sentenced.

Don't know if any of that informs whether the court considers the offence to be minor, but does provide an indication of character, which is what immigration base their decisions on.

It would be enough for Australia to 501 someone back to New Zealand.....

Oh I agree, but I thought the court also deemed it be a minor offense, otherwise I guessed he would've received some term of incarceration. Anyway not like he was missed here ha.

[R650R]

The NZ Govt decides who they will let into the country and who they will not. End of. It's the same in any country.

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No it’s immugration NZ who decides based on policy refined over the years via democratically elected govts debating in parliament.
It’s a serious problem when high level immigration officials are saying hey this is a bit flakey it’s not going to fly in writing no less....
I’m no huge fan of this guy but Ive watched enough of his stuff to know he does his homework and this will be an interesting showdown.
And it was all started at the suggestion of a woke Herald reporter who called the stazi hotline. I thought our media were supposed to report stories not create them.

[pritch]

No it’s immugration NZ who decides based on policy refined over the years via democratically elected govts debating in parliament.
It’s a serious problem when high level immigration officials are saying hey this is a bit flakey it’s not going to fly in writing no less....
I’m no huge fan of this guy but Ive watched enough of his stuff to know he does his homework and this will be an interesting showdown.
And it was all started at the suggestion of a woke Herald reporter who called the stazi hotline. I thought our media were supposed to report stories not create them.

Immigration officials handle the routine applications. If there's somebody wanting to enter the country that the government doesn't like, the decision won't involve Immigration officials. Cabinet will decide and the Minister will inform the departmental officials.

[R650R]

Immigration officials handle the routine applications. If there's somebody wanting to enter the country that the government doesn't like, the decision won't involve Immigration officials. Cabinet will decide and the Minister will inform the departmental officials.

Sounds a bit like Soviet Russia not letting in people we don’t like or might say things that contradict the party line...

[husaberg]

Sounds a bit like Soviet Russia not letting in people we don’t like or might say things that contradict the party line...

Odd you try to say soviet russia

7 Mar 2022
(Berlin) – Russia has enacted two laws, adopted and brought into force on March 4, that criminalize independent war reporting and protesting the war, with penalties of up to 15 years in prison, Human Rights Watch said today.

March 5, 2022
Russian law bans journalists from calling Ukraine conflict a 'war' or an 'invasion'

Published March 4, 2022
Contradicting the Kremlin on the war in Ukraine — even calling it a war — is now a crime, prompting independent media to close, and Russia cut off access to Facebook, the BBC and other news sources.

but it would be heresy for you to say anything against Putin aye.