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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Stick with the present - you're like a certain sector of NZ that's always looking over their shoulder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Trump will forever be the first president impeached twice. There may be another one day in the future, hopefully not too soon, it took a couple of hundred years to sink to this level.
    I have no doubt that the Democrats will continue to abuse the Impeachment process in the future and impeach someone multiple times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it

    True.

    But those who continually look back will never move forwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Interesting as you are only interested in what constitutes a cosy relationship with China NOW Labour is in power
    Is that because National are barely above the margin of error and that Judith colins Nationals 4 leader in about 9 months barely gets a percentage as Prefered PM?

    when you can come back with why Nationals much cosier relationship wasn't an issue to you but why all of a sudden Labours less cosy one somehow nowe is, then we can talk.....
    Still looking back I see...

    How about looking forward to the success of all those 'shovel-ready' promises that Labour has succeeded in completing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Still looking back I see...

    How about looking forward to the success of all those 'shovel-ready' promises that Labour has succeeded in completing....
    When you can come back with why Nationals much cosier relationship wasn't an issue to you but why all of a sudden Labours less cozy one somehow now is, then we can talk.....
    Your entire argument lacks credibility, which is why you are trying not to include any references to the past when an obviously much cozier relationship was never questioned by you at all.

    ps a nice attempt at a further gish gallop.

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    A good breakdown of how recent historical communist attrocities started out all to easy....

    https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/...conservatives/

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    A survivor of a rapid genocidal war outbreak explains how the people were manipulated into making it happen...


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    Needs far more cleavage and less scary "Judith" eyebrows

    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    A survivor of a rapid genocidal war outbreak explains how the people were manipulated into making it happen...

    I've watched the first six minutes of that clip, I'll come back to it later. I'm puzzled as to why you posted it. So far it makes perfect sense.

    The Serbian leader was a psychiatric nurse by profession. You may, or may not, draw your own conclusions from that.
    The US was recently led by a guy with "multiple untreated mental conditions." Britain is currently led by a narcissist habitual liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    When you can come back with why Nationals much cosier relationship wasn't an issue to you but why all of a sudden Labours less cozy one somehow now is, then we can talk.....
    Your entire argument lacks credibility, which is why you are trying not to include any references to the past when an obviously much cozier relationship was never questioned by you at all.

    ps a nice attempt at a further gish gallop.

    National is gone, no longer in power, if they WERE really cosy with China it matters not a whit.

    So let's focus on the current crowd and how risk averse they are in their communication and dealings with China huh? (you would have thought THEY would have learned from National...)
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    nothing to see here move along

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    Really?....hmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    National is gone, no longer in power, if they WERE really cosy with China it matters not a whit.

    So let's focus on the current crowd and how risk averse they are in their communication and dealings with China huh? (you would have thought THEY would have learned from National...)
    It clearly does matter what Nationala relationship was otherwise what do you compare it too?
    but for reference NZ when not under national generally leads the world in criticism of China's human rights history.
    What is telling is you don't even clearly know this and are just swallowing National party propaganda spewed out for the gulible.
    But yeh dont let facts get in the way of your opinion............
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-ze...YRMGLYAD7BXWY/
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...vernment-tweet
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...r-to-reconcile
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...1e4_story.html
    https://thediplomat.com/2020/06/new-...t-china-shift/

    Like many Western democracies, New Zealand has come to the realization that China’s economic rise has not, as many hoped, led to political liberalization. Beijing’s moves on Hong Kong and its human rights abuses in the Xinjiang region, both driven by Xi, are evidence of that.

    New Zealand was the first developed country to sign a free-trade agreement with China, inking a deal in 2008 that helped it dodge the brunt of the financial crisis.

    Since then, and particularly during the nine years led by a center-right national government, most of them under former investment banker John Key, New Zealand has enjoyed booming trade with the Asian giant. Its goods exports to China’s 1.4 billion-strong consumer market quadrupled; China now buys one-third of New Zealand’s dairy and seafood exports, almost half its meat and wool, and almost 60 percent of its logs and timber.

    Migration to New Zealand surged, with students flocking to universities and rich Chinese snapping up investor visas. Before the novel coronavirus hit, China was forecast to overtake Australia as New Zealand’s largest source of tourists within the next three years.

    This period also came with a growing sense, especially among big exporters, that New Zealand could not say anything negative against China for fear of upsetting the apple — and milk and lamb and kiwi fruit — cart. Under Key, New Zealand became the first Western nation to sign on to Beijing’s Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and the Belt and Road Initiative, two of Xi’s signature policies.

    But a reappraisal has occurred in the past three years as Xi has led China back toward authoritarianism, and after New Zealanders elected Ardern’s center-left coalition in 2017.

    “I feel things are rebalancing a bit from the previous nine years, which were reasonably uncritical,” said Helen Clark, who was prime minister when New Zealand signed the trade deal with China and has a close relationship with Ardern.

    China presses ahead with security law to curtail Hong Kong’s political freedoms

    In tweaking New Zealand’s position, however, Ardern is seeking to be less confrontational than the Trump administration and Australia’s government — which is viewed here as “deputy sheriff” to the United States — even while often making the same points. Ardern’s office declined requests for an interview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
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