Jacinda

[TheDemonLord]

You mean like this? "In 2013, he said, Elephant Plasterboard was gaining traction in Waikato. In response, he claimed, Fletcher Building flooded Waikato Carters stores with Gib, effectively dropping the price of plasterboard in the region and pulling builders away from Elephantboard." Usually that's referred to as dumping. That the "the Commerce Commission had investigated claims against the company of such predatory activity in 2014" doesn't mean much, the ComCom is pretty toothless at the best of times.

if I agree with everything you've said - it's nearly 10 years ago.

[pete376403]

true, but once market domination is established, it becomes far easier to keep competition out and retain that dominance. Seems to have worked for Fletchers.
I recall getting some Elephant board a few years ago from Mitre10 in Upper Hutt. Some time later, went to get some more "nah mate we dont stock it any more". However I was down Bunnings Petone yesterday - big stacks of Gib in the warehouse, so in spite of the new factory not being up and running yet, suddenly it seems to be available again.

[R650R]

What is wrong with an ad targeting a particular market segment - any ad agency worth its salt will do this all the time. For example, you are probably the target market for funeral insurance, retirement villages, Viagra, incontinence products, Suzuki Swifts and so on. The Labour party or its agency has probably decided there is no point on wasting advertising spend on old bitter homophobic /anti LGBT truck drivers..

Cheers for the laugh.... there’s nothing wrong I was just highlighting what labour thinks the masses are. Our pm is overly fond of social media and in her echo chamber she seems to think everyone is glued to their phones. In fact many are thanks to the fear mongrring of virus scanning stuff etc....

Well here’s what my ads flooding my devices currently in no particular order;
Mega10
Bunnings
Skoda SUV
Genless govt climate propoganda
Covid crap keep your whanau safe
New Maori women police targeted recruitment
Where does creativity come from
KFC
Skinny mobile
Subway
Domino pizza
AA bornfree car insurance
Several house builders

So it seems the AI thinks I’m a Maori women seeking a career change who does lot of DIY and so doesn’t have time to cook, drives uninsured while looking for somewhere to build a new house with spare change after buying a new SUV.

[Berries]

So it seems the AI thinks I’m a Maori women seeking a career change who does lot of DIY and so doesn’t have time to cook, drives uninsured while looking for somewhere to build a new house with spare change after buying a new SUV.

Bang on then?

[TheDemonLord]

true, but once market domination is established, it becomes far easier to keep competition out and retain that dominance. Seems to have worked for Fletchers.

Ordinarily I'd entirely agree, however - how big do you think Winstones GIB production is compared to the similar products overseas?

I'd imagine that the total output of GIB is like a slow Thursday for say a US Manufacturer.

Prior to the shortage, everyone was happy with the Arrangement - we got a good product, for a reasonable price, with wide availability and in timely manner.

I suspect after this, people will go back to relying on GIB, there may be some corporate shenanigans - but so long as GIB uphold their end of the agreement, I see no reason why any overseas manufacturers would wish to penetrate the NZ Market. We aren't that big and we are a long way from anywhere to transport stuff to.

I recall getting some Elephant board a few years ago from Mitre10 in Upper Hutt. Some time later, went to get some more "nah mate we dont stock it any more". However I was down Bunnings Petone yesterday - big stacks of Gib in the warehouse, so in spite of the new factory not being up and running yet, suddenly it seems to be available again.

Same here, except for one detail - all the Big stacks of GIB have got labels on them that say 'Pre-sold for existing Orders' or some combination of that.

Apparently though, if I put in Orders for Standard 2400 x 1200 sheets now, they are reckoning October - however things like Noiseline and Aqualine are going to be Nov/Dec (which is annoying cause I want to do the bedroom in Noiseline)

[pete376403]

On the Commerce commission web site, down the bottom is this "New Zealand had long-standing anti-dumping duties on imported plasterboard until they were removed in June 2014." https://comcom.govt.nz/news-and-medi...-investigation
And given that Fletchers were the only nz manufacturer of plaster board, it was obvious who was being protected. So up to that time, and even after, it wasn't worth overseas makers to bother with this market, given the relatively small size, the cost of shipping and distributing the stuff here and then trying to make a profit against the local. Maybe Fletchers got a little too comfortable with their captive market. Not like we haven't seen this before, when Telecom had the NZ comms market to itself, and acted accordingly. Interestingly enough, both privately owned. NZ used to have government monopolies, eg NZED, and when these were privatised or made to act that way (SOEs) similar rapacious behaviour followed

[husaberg]

On the Commerce commission web site, down the bottom is this "New Zealand had long-standing anti-dumping duties on imported plasterboard until they were removed in June 2014." https://comcom.govt.nz/news-and-medi...-investigation
And given that Fletchers were the only nz manufacturer of plaster board, it was obvious who was being protected. So up to that time, and even after, it wasn't worth overseas makers to bother with this market, given the relatively small size, the cost of shipping and distributing the stuff here and then trying to make a profit against the local. Maybe Fletchers got a little too comfortable with their captive market. Not like we haven't seen this before, when Telecom had the NZ comms market to itself, and acted accordingly. Interestingly enough, both privately owned. NZ used to have government monopolies, eg NZED, and when these were privatised or made to act that way (SOEs) similar rapacious behaviour followed

plus Gib trademarked colours
https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/16...emark-a-colour.

Then

The former Carters manager highlighted an even earlier case, from 2009, when Fletcher Building did its own testing of Elephantboard’s bracing capability and found it lacking.
It showed the testing to building product certifier Branz, and Elephantboard subsequently withdraw its Branz appraisal.
Branz spokesperson Jordan Harcourt-Hughes refused to comment on this, stating “Branz will not comment on specific allegations”.

Now this is interesting if you know about fletcher's in house testing of its own products.
remember this.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...r-testing-mesh
Felthers on NZ steel and tube.
It wasnt the only results they fudged.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ind...-strength-test
https://comcom.govt.nz/news-and-media/media-releases/2018/steel-and-tube-fined-$1.885-million-for-misleading-representations-about-steel-mesh

fletchers own placemakers firth winstone nz steel and tube. They are their own mafia.

[TheDemonLord]

On the Commerce commission web site, down the bottom is this "New Zealand had long-standing anti-dumping duties on imported plasterboard until they were removed in June 2014." https://comcom.govt.nz/news-and-medi...-investigation
And given that Fletchers were the only nz manufacturer of plaster board, it was obvious who was being protected. So up to that time, and even after, it wasn't worth overseas makers to bother with this market, given the relatively small size, the cost of shipping and distributing the stuff here and then trying to make a profit against the local. Maybe Fletchers got a little too comfortable with their captive market. Not like we haven't seen this before, when Telecom had the NZ comms market to itself, and acted accordingly. Interestingly enough, both privately owned. NZ used to have government monopolies, eg NZED, and when these were privatised or made to act that way (SOEs) similar rapacious behaviour followed

Ah yes Telecom, back when they were a Monopoly could it really be said that they:
- provided a good product,
- for a reasonable price,
- with wide availability and
- in timely manner?

That is what I keep coming back to, Fletchers/Winstone were upholding their end of the agreement, until the Government interfered.

[R650R]

Now what we have here folks... is what Jackie girl likes to call a MANDATE TO GOVERN. Yes remember that’s what she said on her first victory, the numbers showed a mandate to govern, NZ’s had spoken she said.

ACT at 11% plus national beats even a labour green Maori coalition....

[husaberg]

Now what we have here folks... is what Jackie girl likes to call a MANDATE TO GOVERN. Yes remember that’s what she said on her first victory, the numbers showed a mandate to govern, NZ’s had spoken she said.

ACT at 11% plus national beats even a labour green Maori coalition....

Shit dude, do you even math.
Act 10 plus Nat 33 = 43
Labour was 65 greens 10. =75

Last time i looked 43 is actually less than 75 almost half.
Her first victory 2017 was in an election not in an opinion poll as was the second. we don't know what will happen in the future. But guess what it requires an election.

Here in NZ we base who governs us on election results. Not on opinion polls.

2/13 on the Troll

[Hoonicorn]

Shit dude, do you even math.
Act 10 plus Nat 33 = 43
Labour was 65 greens 10. =75

Last time i looked 43 is actually less than 75 almost half.

2020 election results? Latest polling shows Labour on 33 Greens on 9 vs Nats on 37 and Act on 11. You don't even need math to see one side has the bigger numbers.

The only "mandates" they have are policies they won the election on - election promises. 2 year old election results are less representative of any current policy mandates than current polls. The true measure that a party is doing what the people want are poll results, a downward trend for Labour indicates that they are off-track.

So do share with the class, how do diminishing numbers in any way, indicate more support for current policies? Or will you just restate election results from 2 years ago?

[TheDemonLord]

Shit dude, do you even math.
Act 10 plus Nat 33 = 43
Labour was 65 greens 10. =75

Shit Dude, Do you even Linear Time?

In 1853, The Independants had all 37 seats.

ALL. SEATS.

[TheDemonLord]

2020 election results? Latest polling shows Labour on 33 Greens on 9 vs Nats on 37 and Act on 11. You don't even need math to see one side has the bigger numbers.

The only "mandates" they have are policies they won the election on - election promises. 2 year old election results are less representative of any current policy mandates than current polls. The true measure that a party is doing what the people want are poll results, a downward trend for Labour indicates that they are off-track.

So do share with the class, how do diminishing numbers in any way, indicate more support for current policies? Or will you just restate election results from 2 years ago?

In 2-3 posts, I bet there'll be a 'BUT NACHIONAL!' post from the aforementioned..

[pritch]

It's apparent that more than one person here has no idea what 'mandate' means. That's not new, Muldoon didn't either.

There are many polls, but there is just one that counts: the one on Election Day. Until the next election the government has their mandate.

[TheDemonLord]

It's apparent that more than one person here has no idea what 'mandate' means. That's not new, Muldoon didn't either.

There are many polls, but there is just one that counts: the one on Election Day. Until the next election the government has their mandate.

Well, let's just put a pin in that and bring it out after the next election then shall we?