Braking - My Take

[onearmedbandit]

Funny, I've practised emergency braking for years, but haven't had to use it for just as long.

I had to use it only a couple nights ago on a suburban street at dusk when a dog ran across the road, coming out from the front of a parked car. Thankfully both myself and the dog were fine. I'm glad to report that while hitting the picks I glanced in my rear view mirrors to check that the cars behind me had noticed my emergency braking. Thankfully they had. All this happened without having to think about it. This time.

[rastuscat]

I had to use it only a couple nights ago on a suburban street at dusk when a dog ran across the road, coming out from the front of a parked car. Thankfully both myself and the dog were fine. I'm glad to report that while hitting the picks I glanced in my rear view mirrors to check that the cars behind me had noticed my emergency braking. Thankfully they had. All this happened without having to think about it. This time.

Impressive, considering your circumstances.

[onearmedbandit]

Impressive, considering your circumstances.

Thankfully I have a bit of knowledge of what hard braking with one arm can achieve!

[R650R]

It's one of the ironies of a good Ride Forever course, if delivered well.

We want people to be awesome at emergency braking, so that gets covered.

But the rest of the course is all about riding with awareness and anticipation, which mean you don't have to emergency brake.

Funny, I've practised emergency braking for years, but haven't had to use it for just as long.

Nice in theory (not needing emergency brake) perhaps your just not doing enough km’s or the gods are looking after you.
Two words, Australian dashcams. You watch these KNOWING some weird dangerous stuff is about to be replayed but damn there’s an always a few surprises. Humans excel at doing dumb stuff no one thought possible.
Your right about reaction time makes the exercise even more sobering.

[R650R]

Thankfully I have a bit of knowledge of what hard braking with one arm can achieve!

Nice work, so just how much force is through the good arm vs gripping the tank?

[onearmedbandit]

Nice work, so just how much force is through the good arm vs gripping the tank?

I'd say 60% minimum through the arm, rest in the core and legs.

[rastuscat]

I'd say 60% minimum through the arm, rest in the core and legs.

I first saw that bike on the other wheel. You've changed.

[SaferRides]

It wasn't an emergency, but I did a reasonably hard stop from quite a bit more than100 a few months ago. Sobering.

There was a Fortnine video on ABS vs. non- ABS braking a while ago. My takeaway from that was that weight transfer on an ABS bike is just as important as on a non-ABS machine. So what works in an ABS car (hard on the brakes immediately) is not what you should do on a bike.

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[F5 Dave]

He also used a cheapo model (commuter honda of some description? ) which would not have state of the art brakes or abs.

[R650R]

It wasn't an emergency, but I did a reasonably hard stop from quite a bit more than100 a few months ago. Sobering.

There was a Fortnine video on ABS vs. non- ABS braking a while ago. My takeaway from that was that weight transfer on an ABS bike is just as important as on a non-ABS machine. So what works in an ABS car (hard on the brakes immediately) is not what you should do on a bike.

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Humans often think too much of their ability. Anyone who thinks they can apply the technique he described in a proper emergency should be calling HRC for MotoGP contract.
At beginning of collision evasion your impact velocity is highest, you want to reduce that immediately even if it was true that the system is not 100% efficiency. Because milliseconds later that wheel will have plenty enough weight on it while your brain is still calculating rear lever pressure.

[rastuscat]

Humans often think too much of their ability. Anyone who thinks they can apply the technique he described in a proper emergency should be calling HRC for MotoGP contract.
At beginning of collision evasion your impact velocity is highest, you want to reduce that immediately even if it was true that the system is not 100% efficiency. Because milliseconds later that wheel will have plenty enough weight on it while your brain is still calculating rear lever pressure.

That's the thing.

The point of repeated practise of emergency braking is to reinforce it into muscle memory. If you have to think what to do when trouble strikes, that's time spent that might matter at the point of impact.

A couple of runs on a fine day on an empty road will make bugger all difference when it matters, unless it is regularly practised.

But not many people practise their emergency braking, as they haven't experienced the need, and don't think they will.

[R650R]

That's the thing.

The point of repeated practise of emergency braking is to reinforce it into muscle memory. If you have to think what to do when trouble strikes, that's time spent that might matter at the point of impact.

A couple of runs on a fine day on an empty road will make bugger all difference when it matters, unless it is regularly practised.

But not many people practise their emergency braking, as they haven't experienced the need, and don't think they will.

Yes I agree. My original post was about stimulating that idea and reminding all we arent as good as we think we are. Out for a ride yesterday or was it day before I contemplated a couple of big stops but it was hot and I was tired, opted for reduced pace to mitigate lack of practice.
It’s funny in younger days riding Isle of Man pace everywhere I was prob getting plenty of braking practice now riding more sensible I’m prob not as good.
Perhaps ACC could develop an APP whereby if you register say 5 high g force braking movements within a prescribed timeframe each month (to signify training and not reckless random stuff ups) you could get a rego fee instant cashback.

[Berries]

Perhaps ACC could develop an APP whereby if you register say 5 high g force braking movements within a prescribed timeframe each month (to signify training and not reckless random stuff ups) you could get a rego fee instant cashback.

You could come at it the other way and say that if an app recorded five high G braking movements it is suggesting poor forward planning and you should pay extra for the inevitable crash that is coming.

A better method would be to reward time spent on the back wheel as an indication of handling skills, balance and coordination etc.

[F5 Dave]

Everyone should ride dirtbikes. When you get a push on you need to regularly practice that on the edge modulation.