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    Per the OP, I'm pretty gobsmacked too.

    I looked into this crash when it happened. The driver made a poor decision. A low level of carelessness, with a massive outcome.

    Hard to see how the judges decision was arrived at. Little chance of appeal, Crown Law doesn't appeal much, if anything.

    Butt his just appears dead wrong. Clearly, if you want to kill someone, do it with a vehicle.

    The fact that there was no intent is the key factor. It was a mistake, but the gravity of the outcome surely is more important than the career of the driver who killed the victim.

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    I thought that the rules around name suppression had been changed to stop judges from doing this?

    Obviously the old boys club had this one well covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Nice idea, but it just doesn't work like that.
    I am very much struggling with this based on the stuff story. I've always said if you want to kill someone in this country with little to no consequence, run them over. It helps to be white, middle class and 50 too. $25k reparation, no conviction, and permanent name suppression. Fuck sakes.
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    "A "significant offer" of emotional harm reparation had been made, the lawyer said, but had not been proffered to buy himself out of the case but rather recognition that he'd worked hard, is a successful businessman, and is in a position to make the offer, especially knowing that with Caldicott-Elwell's passing the situation would've changed within that family."

    Too fucking right the situation would've changed within that family! There you have it. Work hard, get money in the bank and you too can kill and maim through carelessness and walk away...
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    Suffice to say, I don't agree with the decision.

    However -if the person who was killed had been traveling at the Speed Limit, and not riding an evil death machine - then I suspect it wouldn't have been granted and the judges decision would be different.

    Looking at the story and the facts available - it seems it's a shit scenario all round.

    Someone makes a mistake and due to a number of compounding factors, results in someone's death. I feel the driver has gotten off too lightly, but I'm not sure whether or not they deserve to be pilloried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    I am very much struggling with this based on the stuff story. I've always said if you want to kill someone in this country with little to no consequence, run them over. It helps to be white, middle class and 50 too. $25k reparation, no conviction, and permanent name suppression. Fuck sakes.
    Karl Parker was a Harley rider, I didn't know him well, but I did know him. He was riding along on his own side of the road, minding his own business, when a car crossed the double yellow lines and hit him head on.

    In court the judge apportioned blame to Karl because he was riding in the outer of the two lanes on his side of the road. Little mention of the woman driver having crossed a double yellow to be on the wrong side of the road. Karl didn't have a good word to say for himself. He was dead.

    The woman, a medical doctor, was fined $1000.
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    This makes no sense on many levels.

    Surely if the 'low level of carelessness' on display doesn't warrant a conviction, why on earth does it merit name suppression?

    What's wrong with his employer that they consider his involvement in a 'blameless' accident 'would cause the organisation undue hardship'?

    And why is there no mention of the impact on the victim's family and friends – even if they chose not to comment there should be an acknowledgement in the article to that effect.

    Astounding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Karl Parker was a Harley rider, I didn't know him well, but I did know him. He was riding along on his own side of the road, minding his own business, when a car crossed the double yellow lines and hit him head on.

    In court the judge apportioned blame to Karl because he was riding in the outer of the two lanes on his side of the road. Little mention of the woman driver having crossed a double yellow to be on the wrong side of the road. Karl didn't have a good word to say for himself. He was dead.

    The woman, a medical doctor, was fined $1000.
    Well there are nice big signs before double lanes to the effect stay left unless passing, slow traffic keep left or similar I beleive. I can't imagine a Harley Furgeson going fast.

    I dought the riders family would apreciate you draging the riders name, considering you didn't really know the guy, out on a public thread/forum either. The noice gets to you before you get a visual on the the bke.

    Just satying....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve View Post
    Only thing the "justice system" is blind to is justice & law
    Did you get charged or fined by it?

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    Saw that story and I was surprised, even angry at how lightly the driver of the car got off.

    Do we have enough of the facts though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caspernz View Post
    Saw that story and I was surprised, even angry at how lightly the driver of the car got off.

    Do we have enough of the facts though?
    The summary of facts raised the issue that the rider was in excess of the speed limit. That was the only mitigating factor I could see.

    I agree though, perhaps we have not seen the whole story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    The summary of facts raised the issue that the rider was in excess of the speed limit. That was the only mitigating factor I could see.

    I agree though, perhaps we have not seen the whole story.
    20 over an 80 limit is not unusual. I always expect motorcyclists to be speeding anyway.

    Coming home on the motorway last night the fast lane was moving at about 100. It still wasn't fast enough for a motorbike rider, who was weaving between the fast and middle lanes. Someone didn't see him and changed lanes just as the he was about to pass them on the left...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastuscat View Post
    The summary of facts raised the issue that the rider was in excess of the speed limit. That was the only mitigating factor I could see.

    I agree though, perhaps we have not seen the whole story.
    If he actually was, he would have turned left off old main road after the Challenge station, if the driver saw him about 142m away then he was only about 8 metres onto Tram road after coming around the corner

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonez View Post
    Well there are nice big signs before double lanes to the effect stay left unless passing, slow traffic keep left or similar
    He was still on his side of the road unlike her, you dumb cunt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    If he actually was, he would have turned left off old main road after the Challenge station, if the driver saw him about 142m away then he was only about 8 metres onto Tram road after coming around the corner


    He was still on his side of the road unlike her, you dumb cunt
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