Moto GP 2022

[Autech]

He did say 'without a rock solid front'.

Eggzacary, they taketh from the front to giveth to the rear.

Didn't stop Alex Marquez from falling off it though, still thoroughly unimpressed with him sitting on that seat tbh, too much of a slow burner to occupy a winning bike seat with all the talent coming up


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[iYRe]

have they take from the front though? Or just changed the balance...

I dont know that it has less front grip, it just feels different, that's what I think.

[James Deuce]

He did say 'without a rock solid front'.

Yes, but the commentary from both riders, especially Pol, has been about the increase in rear grip. MM would ride on the edge of disaster without a qualm, on a bike that was ALL about the front. I suspect that is why he became bequalmed with injury.

[Autech]

Yes, but the commentary from both riders, especially Pol, has been about the increase in rear grip. MM would ride on the edge of disaster without a qualm, on a bike that was ALL about the front. I suspect that is why he became bequalmed with injury.

Yup, so now its not as balanced to the front he can't just release the brake and hammer it into the corner on the front. Generally bike set up is a trade off, so I'd be surprised if the front grip is as good as it was, so he's not pushing till he can set it up to feel it. Either that or he needs to adapt his riding style to match Pols and use the rear a bit more to get it turned into the corner.

Still 5th place behind some seriously fast dudes aint bad, so I'm not too worried. But I've always wondered if he could adapt his style to "ride anything" or if the front heavy riding is in his DNA. Time will tell.

[James Deuce]

Can't comment. It is the first COMPLETELY new Honda in years. But Pol was fastest Honda without looking like he was struggling.

[Reckless]

Honda just cant risk everything on Mark these days with his eyes. Simple as that.
Next fall or get taken out and he MIGHT be done.
Not any riders push it till they crash or save it on the knee as a guide to how far to push a bike.
His tactics/style over the years have sort of bought this day upon himself.

He can surely still win there is that much talent there but I think everyone knew things couldn't continue on as they were.
There had to be a change for Marks and Hondas future.

[Autech]

Honda just cant risk everything on Mark these days with his eyes. Simple as that.
Next fall or get taken out and he MIGHT be done.
Not any riders push it till they crash or save it on the knee as a guide to how far to push a bike.
His tactics/style over the years have sort of bought this day upon himself.

He can surely still win there is that much talent there but I think everyone knew things couldn't continue on as they were.
there had to be a change for Marks and Hondas future.

It's interesting to note that the KTM have shifted to the rear as well with this years bike. I wonder if it was Pedrosa's influence, not Marc's that favoured a front balanced bike? Then Marc got on it and loved the fuck out of it till it finally started biting...
Considering how well Dani could get a bike stood up and out of a corner he probably didn't need that much rear bias to ride.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/a...qatar-analysis

Regardless, great to see the Ducati's not dominating on top speed now, was sick of watching it tbh as I remember the frustration well racing a bucket against 150cc street stocks and 250 ninjas at Ruapuna lol.

[iYRe]

It's interesting to note that the KTM have shifted to the rear as well with this years bike. I wonder if it was Pedrosa's influence, not Marc's that favoured a front balanced bike? Then Marc got on it and loved the fuck out of it till it finally started biting...
Considering how well Dani could get a bike stood up and out of a corner he probably didn't need that much rear bias to ride.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/a...qatar-analysis

Regardless, great to see the Ducati's not dominating on top speed now, was sick of watching it tbh as I remember the frustration well racing a bucket against 150cc street stocks and 250 ninjas at Ruapuna lol.

According to CRASH.net Dani was the one who the Honda was developed for/with. And interview I saw with MM said the issue was that he is small like Dani, and since it was built to fit Dani, it fitted him too, so I dont necessarily think its all about the front end either, its just how it was. The new bike is bigger, longer... I went from a Sprint St to a zx-14 - they handle similarly but the Z is bigger, longer, heavier and it took me quite a few months of daily riding before I really got comfortable. Now, I have about as much riding skill and talent as MM's little toenail, but I can imagine its going to take (race) time to work out how to wrangle it. It's going to go into and out of corners different, transfer power different, use different lines, etc..
I wonder how MM would do on the new Suzuki, with its handling, tyre preservation and now speed..

EDIT: just watched the latest CRASH.net podcast and they said that while it was original designed with Dani in mind, once MM became #1, of course it all went his way

[jim.cox]

Ducati's not dominating on top speed now,

Or on starting or staying upright together

Sad - was the Factory Team

Go the privateers

Wow - the last six or laps are brilliant - poor Pol - pushed just that wee bit too hard

[James Deuce]

Or on starting or staying upright together

Sad - was the Factory Team

Go the privateers

Wow - the last six or laps are brilliant - poor Pol - pushed just that wee bit too hard

That was my main concern with 8 Ducatis on the track at the same time.

[mulletman]

New tech for MotoE

https://www.epaddock.it/en/new-compo...he-motoe-2022/

[merv]

According to CRASH.net Dani was the one who the Honda was developed for/with. And interview I saw with MM said the issue was that he is small like Dani, and since it was built to fit Dani, it fitted him too, so I dont necessarily think its all about the front end either, its just how it was. The new bike is bigger, longer.

Remember when that happened. Hayden had just won the 2006 championship on the beautiful RC211V V5 990cc a bike that had fitted Rossi, a tall guy, from the beginning. Then the limit got changed downwards to 800cc from 2007. Honda rolled out this tiny looking RC212V that fitted Perosa nicely and Hayden felt they had just ignored him and his size and he struggled on it until Dovi replaced him in 2009. In 2011 Casey Stoner, a smallish guy, came along and won the championship on it. In 2012 the limit changed to 1000cc and the RC213V was born but still looking like a small bike like the RC212V at that time. Marquez replaced Casey in 2013 and as he said he was a small guy so he fitted the bike.

One wonders what would have happened if Honda had continued all the way through with a bike the physical frame size of the RC211V. This latest incarnation looks longer in the wheelbase for sure.

[iYRe]

No Idea, but its going to be hell of a lot of fun finding out.. no one knows what the hell is going to happen this year

[Reckless]

It's interesting to note that the KTM have shifted to the rear as well with this years bike. I wonder if it was Pedrosa's influence, not Marc's that favoured a front balanced bike? Then Marc got on it and loved the fuck out of it till it finally started biting...
Considering how well Dani could get a bike stood up and out of a corner he probably didn't need that much rear bias to ride.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/a...qatar-analysis

Regardless, great to see the Ducati's not dominating on top speed now, was sick of watching it tbh as I remember the frustration well racing a bucket against 150cc street stocks and 250 ninjas at Ruapuna lol.

I think everyone learns from others and Honda learned you can't make a bike for one rider, size rider or riding style.
They saw their star struggling, 8 Ducatis on the grid, most with riders capable of winning the championship, and with different styles, riding the same bike and thought "Oh shit fresh start required"
Ducati deserve the credit for being the most innovative for years I wonder how bike development would have gone without them??
Suzuki quietly working away since last year to. Aprilia catching and learning.
Yamaha need to look over at the Suzuki garage they needed to give Fabio something?? Even 10k catch up along the straight would have meant they did something over the break FFS
Miller didn't deserve what he was dished up - fucken inexcusable from Ducati.
I think Ducati fucked up by using their 2 No1 riders to develop the bike for everyone (according to Bagnia and Ducatis acceptance of his comments).
Bike development - BLOODY BIG Pain in the arse I have 4k worth of bits coming from all corners of the earth Atm. Labour and Machining to come FFS

Interested to see what happens next race as they are all saying this track is a bit of a 1 off.
Bloody good start tho - longest season ever - whooohoo!!!

[jim.cox]

I think Ducati fucked up by using their 2 No1 riders to develop the bike for everyone

The way both factory team bikes bogged on take-off did make me wonder if their was some 'Italian' problem - like someone dialed the same wrong setting into both bikes.

Or just not tested under real race conditions.

So, how many of the Ducatisti want last year's bike back?

I am very much looking forward to the next race.