Moto GP 2022

[roogazza]

Philip island is ideal place for Yamaha to shine. .

Hope so F5 Dave. Corner speed and his talent, fingers crossed from me.

Horsepower is always gunna help the Doocatis...

[Autech]

PI gunna be interesting for sure. If Aprilia can get their bike dialed in its my bet for the best bike for the track.

Nimble, heaps of grunt and can brake at an angle really well, which sums up PI pretty well. They have fuck all data though.

Fabio uses his corner speed and braking in a straight line, plus good exit drive to combat the Yamahas shit top speed.
He'll only be able to use the corner speed to his advantage so my thoughts are is he's going to suffer a bit, especially as MM and the KTMs should be in the mix.


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[F5 Dave]

There's no real slow corners to show up lack of grunt. Wind can be an issue there but it usually comes in from Siberia, but at the slowest complex I guess. The 500s did better there against the new 990s than most other tracks.
If he gets away he'll kick it.
But Bags and a rekindled Millar look strong as hell. Hopefully Aliex can regain his form. Time is running out for him and he has tried so hard.

[pritch]

There's no real slow corners to show up lack of grunt.

Turn 10, MG? is a negative camber hairpin. I'd ride it slow. Then again I'd be slow everywhere.

[F5 Dave]

Bottom of Lukey, I've sat there many times and people fly out of there. My lasting impression is hearing MickeyD light it up out of there on the screamer being chased by Crafer.
Of course from my vantage point I could have given them both some pointers on how I'd have got some real speed through that section.

[Autech]

Seems to me Fabio and the Yamaha struggle less getting out of the corner and more in the 4th-5th-6th gear once raw power is needed.

Fabio will be able to overcome quite a bit especially onto the front straight but I think if there's any v4 near him in the last corner they'll come by him before turn 1.
It remains to be seen if the Ducati will suffer with all its downforce in the high winds though, I'm actually thinking the Ducati is less of a threat at PI than say the Aprilia and Suzuki. Though with so many of them and the Miller factor I still expect them to be in the mix well and truly.

Its an odd track, but its going to be epic.
Go Aleix!

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[husaberg]

Bottom of Lukey, I've sat there many times and people fly out of there. My lasting impression is hearing MickeyD light it up out of there on the screamer being chased by Crafer.
Of course from my vantage point I could have given them both some pointers on how I'd have got some real speed through that section.

Considering how much Doohan was dominating its scary to think it was written that Doohan and burgess trialed an Ohlin's fork and shock and on the NSR instantly were going a full second or two quicker. Without any adjustments at all.
He wasn't allowed to use them as Honda own Showa, plus he was also winning anyway,
the pros win as slowly as possible so not to look like their bikes are too fast.
As making it look too easy only makes the others try harder.
Doohan occasionally went against this rule to teach others a lesson as too who was top dog, but did a lot of his winning against the same spec bikes. So he clearly was.
oddly though, i think Honda also own fair chunk of Nissin, but The NSR used Brembos. So i assume they made a big difference.
Honda have been known to use Mikuni carbs, (97/98 CR's i think) even though they own or at least owned Keihin.

If i ever get to meet Burgess or Mick i would like to know just how much faster it was on Ohlin's
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[Grumph]

I'm going to assume most of you have read Oxley's bit on front tyre pressures as i can't post the link.
I'd love to know if Miller ran legal pressures when he won. He was so much better on the front end compared to most of the other Duc's.
PI is hard on the fronts too - so will the FIM start upholding the rules around tyre pressures there ?
It's going to be interesting.

[iYRe]

I'm going to assume most of you have read Oxley's bit on front tyre pressures as i can't post the link.
I'd love to know if Miller ran legal pressures when he won. He was so much better on the front end compared to most of the other Duc's.
PI is hard on the fronts too - so will the FIM start upholding the rules around tyre pressures there ?
It's going to be interesting.

Crash net were talking about this today. Apparently, because there is no way to consistently measure the pressures it isnt illegal. So they note what they run and do what ever they like as it is only a guideline until next year. If millar was running lower pressures, or whatever, he wouldnt have been the only one.

[F5 Dave]

Considering how much Doohan was dominating its scary to think it was written that Doohan and burgess trialed an Ohlin's fork and shock and on the NSR instantly were going a full second or two quicker. Without any adjustments at all.
He wasn't allowed to use them as Honda own Showa, plus he was also winning anyway,
the pros win as slowly as possible so not to look like their bikes are too fast.
As making it look too easy only makes the others try harder.
Doohan occasionally went against this rule to teach others a lesson as too who was top dog, but did a lot of his winning against the same spec bikes. So he clearly was.
oddly though, i think Honda also own fair chunk of Nissin, but The NSR used Brembos. So i assume they made a big difference.
Honda have been known to use Mikuni carbs, (97/98 CR's i think) even though they own or at least owned Keihin.

If i ever get to meet Burgess or Mick i would like to know just how much faster it was on Ohlin's
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Crafer had won at Donington a race or two before as I recall and was the only one who could challenge him that year, but only on tracks that suited his front Dunlop. Either way in that race it was drying and Crafer picked up the pace cutting his way through the field like no one else was capable of. Until presumably Doohans pit board informed him of his presence in 2nd and closing. Doohan then matched his lap times almost immediately and showed why he was the actual master and no further progress was made. Nice try sunshine but. . .

[husaberg]

Crafer had won at Donington a race or two before as I recall and was the only one who could challenge him that year, but only on tracks that suited his front Dunlop. Either way in that race it was drying and Crafer picked up the pace cutting his way through the field like no one else was capable of. Until presumably Doohans pit board informed him of his presence in 2nd and closing. Doohan then matched his lap times almost immediately and showed why he was the actual master and no further progress was made. Nice try sunshine but. . .

Crafer on song was pretty special, earlier too with superbike stuff on the Kawasaki and RC45 were impressive.
Doohan appeared just as happy to see Crafer win that day as everyone else was.
There were times that the Yamaha matched in the later era Gary McCoy put on some great shows as well, but few and far between
Kennys spawn won on the Suzuki that was in essence a Yamaha using Yamaha spec pipes and cylinders advantage with a great tire and no Doohan with Rossi not ready. Sinclair did a great write up somewhere.

[Grumph]

Crash net were talking about this today. Apparently, because there is no way to consistently measure the pressures it isnt illegal. So they note what they run and do what ever they like as it is only a guideline until next year. If millar was running lower pressures, or whatever, he wouldnt have been the only one.

All the rims carry a miniature data recorder which logs pressures continuously. It can be and is downloaded by Pirelli after each session or race. Apparently there is a sheet of everyone's pressures handed out to the teams - which is where the accusations of illegal pressures are coming from.
There's a gentlemans agreement in place at the moment not to push the enforcement of the pressure limits.

BUT - That's not what's written in the rules. If one team did decide to protest, it's what's in the book which takes precedence.

I'd pick that leaking the pressure sheets to Oxley was someone's way of trying to make the cheats fall into line without actually protesting.

[pritch]

I'm going to assume most of you have read Oxley's bit on front tyre pressures as i can't post the link.
I'd love to know if Miller ran legal pressures when he won. He was so much better on the front end compared to most of the other Duc's.
PI is hard on the fronts too - so will the FIM start upholding the rules around tyre pressures there ?
It's going to be interesting.

That article was published back in May, it probably focussed attention on tyre pressures. As the article suggests the system used in WSBK would stop the silliness.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/a...the-tyre-rules

[iYRe]

All the rims carry a miniature data recorder which logs pressures continuously. It can be and is downloaded by Pirelli after each session or race. Apparently there is a sheet of everyone's pressures handed out to the teams - which is where the accusations of illegal pressures are coming from.
There's a gentlemans agreement in place at the moment not to push the enforcement of the pressure limits.

BUT - That's not what's written in the rules. If one team did decide to protest, it's what's in the book which takes precedence.

I'd pick that leaking the pressure sheets to Oxley was someone's way of trying to make the cheats fall into line without actually protesting.

According to Keith Huwen there is no standardised method for all teams, so they cant/wont enforce it. They all have to use a standardised tool for next season so they can enforce it.

Not sure why Michelin would allow Pirelli to download the data :P

[Grumph]

According to Keith Huwen there is no standardised method for all teams, so they cant/wont enforce it. They all have to use a standardised tool for next season so they can enforce it.

Not sure why Michelin would allow Pirelli to download the data :P

My mistake. It was obviously Michelin. The data recorder fitted to the rim in the article quoted by Pritch looks like a standardised piece to me.
If all the teams are getting the list as shown it's a standardised system.

If keith H means the teams don't all use the same pressure gauges then fair enough there will be some variation. But if there's a minimum pressure specified then it's in the team's interest to have accurate gauges.