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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    So he gets all the advantages of being 25% lighter, acceleration and braking and aerodynamics but gets special treatment on top of that as well so he's not disadvantaged....yeah seems fair
    hint if he cared the same weight as others he wouldn't need a lower tire pressure.
    I am sure that being so small also had its disadvantages.The teams should be allowed to vary the tyre pressure as they wish.They dont want to destroy the tyres ,bikes and riders. Dani could have run the pressure he needs and the bigger guys can run the pressures that they need. If they do have pressure reports they can manage it just as they manage fuel

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    I am sure that being so small also had its disadvantages.The teams should be allowed to vary the tyre pressure as they wish.They dont want to destroy the tyres ,bikes and riders. Dani could have run the pressure he needs and the bigger guys can run the pressures that they need. If they do have pressure reports they can manage it just as they manage fuel
    Yeah, and they could all ballast all the the riders to 70KG and he wouldn't need to adjust the tire pressure under what the manufacturer uses for safety reasons. Only he never wanted that.
    he was dead against that oddly enough....
    iI's also odd they use weight limits to even out performace in all sorts of other classes and sports like horse racing when its not an issue according to the smallest midget in the paddock odd indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Yeah, and they could all ballast all the the riders to 70KG and he wouldn't need to adjust the tire pressure under what the manufacturer uses for safety reasons. Only he never wanted that.
    Funny he was dead against that odd....
    iI's also odd they use weight limits to even out performace in all sorts of other classes and sports like horse racing when its not an issue according to the smallest midget in the paddock odd indeed
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    You over simplify it. Adding 15kg to the bike wouldn't have had the same effect as adding 15kg to the rider. But you can't go strapping 15KG of dumbells to a rider can you?

    But, allowing the rider to run the correct pressure to get the tyres working? Totally different thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autech View Post
    You over simplify it. Adding 15kg to the bike wouldn't have had the same effect as adding 15kg to the rider. But you can't go strapping 15KG of dumbells to a rider can you?

    But, allowing the rider to run the correct pressure to get the tyres working? Totally different thing

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    It would negate the need for lower tire pressure.
    Also odd that Moto2 and Moto3 both have combined minimum weights.

    The reason he wanted to use lower pressures was his weight was too low but he wanted to have the advantages of the low weight with none of the disadvantages.
    it's very common to ballast bike and cars in racing.

    Shit dani should have been allowed to use a 2 liter engine as well with unlimited rebuilds as well on account of his stubby t rex arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    So was I. It's not like Michelin suggest these limits for shits and giggles.
    Why?
    the amount these lot spend on bike development and monitoring of every detail of the bike, surely the teams are well enough armed to make decisions about tyre pressure for their rider and bike combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertim20 View Post
    Why?
    the amount these lot spend on bike development and monitoring of every detail of the bike, surely the teams are well enough armed to make decisions about tyre pressure for their rider and bike combo.
    And maybe they should tell Brembo to go screw themselves when they enforce the use of larger front disc rotors at certain tracks too? Like you say, the manufacturers develop and monitor every detail of the bike so what can some little brake manufacturer tell them they don't know...

    Hmmmm maybe it has something to do with the fact none of the motorcycle manufacturers develop their own brakes and tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    And maybe they should tell Brembo to go screw themselves when they enforce the use of larger front disc rotors at certain tracks too? Like you say, the manufacturers develop and monitor every detail of the bike so what can some little brake manufacturer tell them they don't know...

    Hmmmm maybe it has something to do with the fact none of the motorcycle manufacturers develop their own brakes and tyres.
    should be teams choice which to use. theyre only going to deny themselves points if they make the wrong call.

    Rider is going to get a say since theyre riding the thing if they have a safety / feeling concern

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertim20 View Post
    should be teams choice which to use. theyre only going to deny themselves points if they make the wrong call.

    Rider is going to get a say since theyre riding the thing if they have a safety / feeling concern
    Maybe Dorna has an agreement with Michelin that states they must provide tyres that can safely go the distance of a race. Michelin says no problem can do, but only if they're used under these parameters can we guarantee that. So Dorna look at that and go yup we will enforce that then.

    We could also add that on the world stage Michelin don't want the world to see their tyres delaminating or failing in any manner so stipulate requirements of use.

    Or maybe Michelin are just having a laugh and fucking with teams for shits and giggles...
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    Very interesting hearing Simon's comments regarding Alberto Puig. Like most he saw him as being very grumpy to approach until he realised that Alberto was so invested in the riders, in their well-being, their performance that he comes across like an over sensitive father. And a number of riders both past and present have also remarked how supportive he is. Just goes to show impressions can be very deceiving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigertim20 View Post
    Rider is going to get a say since theyre riding the thing if they have a safety / feeling concern
    Oxley says the riders who were running illegal pressures would not have been told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Oxley says the riders who were running illegal pressures would not have been told.
    If the tire failed i bet the team would not have taken the blame aimed at Michelin either.
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    Yesterday there were some photos from an Irish road race IIRC. The tyres had delaminated and large chunks of the casing had gone. By large I mean most of the width of tbe tyre by maybe thirty to forty cm. Dunlops in this instance. Manufacturing tyres must be a tricky business.
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