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    The rough rule of thumb is that 1kg = 1HP Prob more in MotoGP.
    So our Danni had an advantage.

    Tyres
    The riders don't know where they are in the pack so the tyre pressures are a toss up.
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    But even if you know that you [might] go in front, you prepare for being behind and try to get the lowest [pressure] possible. Because when you are behind, the tyre is going up a lot.”
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    “It’s a very difficult thing for the teams and also for Michelin because as Pecco and Fabio said, how do you know if you are going to be following 3 bikes or will have a free track?

    They didn't have this as a major Issue a couple of years ago so they need to go backwards and eliminate what is causing it. Prob the aero.
    They get into the slipstream to get a tow and that puts them into the heat vortex. They need to eliminate this or use a tyre that can handle it or both.
    Being forced to race a second behind the rider in front is not racing. They need to fix this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reckless View Post
    The rough rule of thumb is that 1kg = 1HP Prob more in MotoGP.
    So our Danni had an advantage.
    I had always heard of 4kg = 1hp in racing (But I may be completely wrong).

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    Not sure it is possible to make a tire that doesnt have this problem when it gets hot, I expect it would be affecting any manufacturer who had the job.

    I'm sure the boffins can come up with some solution on the bike to help keep it cooler.. Perhaps can also maybe make the tire a little more resistant to pressure change, but then, that would no doubt affect the "Feeling" or its longevity or a myriad of other detrimental things, right? So, I reckon it has to be on the bike.. somehow. Does anyone know if they use Nitrogen in them instead of straight air? I feel like no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iYRe View Post
    So, I reckon it has to be on the bike.. somehow. Does anyone know if they use Nitrogen in them instead of straight air? I feel like no.
    We tried using Nitrogen in the longer races like the 6 hr way back in the mid 70's. Just one of the things tried to make a tyre last..Before tyre changes had to be accepted and used.

    But yes, I'd be happy to see aero removed and tyres sorted.
    The sheer speed of the bikes now have to cope with max speeds of what over 360 kph ??? !!!!!!

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    At least we're not seeing this in MotoGP. But I'd wager having it happen at the NW200 is far worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    I had always heard of 4kg = 1hp in racing (But I may be completely wrong).

    OK quick google
    7lbs ( 3.17kg) drag racers rough rule of thumb = 1hp
    So you are much closer then me 3.2kg per HP makes me feel a shit load happier.
    Then they go into rotational mass being different etc etc

    Secondly saw a Crafar tech talk
    The area of a tin can bottom exposed at full speed is like loosing 1hp

    Interesting stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autech View Post

    Binder, how fucking good is the guy? Riding the bike with 1 wing all race and staying clear of all the other KTMS and in the points...
    I reckon they need to put wee explosives where the wings attach, so if they have one wiped off, boom there goes the other one to restore balance
    I also reckon if KTM want to be consistent, they need to discard the tubular frames. My understanding is no two are alike. Ducati never got it sorted, so yeah.

    Quote Originally Posted by iYRe View Post
    Not sure it is possible to make a tire that doesnt have this problem when it gets hot, I expect it would be affecting any manufacturer who had the job.

    I'm sure the boffins can come up with some solution on the bike to help keep it cooler..
    Simply air cool the tires, now hear me out. Remove the wings, the resulting horn monos will bring the front tire temp down - job done, thank me later dorna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Simply air cool the tires, now hear me out. Remove the wings, the resulting horn monos will bring the front tire temp down - job done, thank me later dorna.
    i'm hearin ya..
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    Possible JM has gone to KTM (I doubt)
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    Wings

    https://the-race.com/motogp/motogp-h...ake-of-racing/


    Update
    This was a post in the thread under the article can't say I disagree.

    MotoGP has reached a space-time where prototypes have little relevance to production bikes. The same thing happened at the conclusion of the 2-stroke formula, hence the jump to 990cc 4-strokes under the new MotoGP moniker. While the manufacturers have made some effort to tie Superbike to MotoGP, there is virtually no connection to the broader industry. In fact, I'd argue the broader industry would reject much of MotoGP's identity as homogenous, expensive and/or undesirable.

    For all intents and purposes, MotoGP is a commercial for motorcycling that the manufacturers use to raise awareness through entertainment. Wings and active suspension do not improve the entertainment value, and, the MotoGP version of these systems is not production relevant. They need to be banned immediately, and the electronics need to be further restricted.



    I think we may be at a turning point In MotoGP.
    We are seeing less of the rider and more of the bike.
    Rider input is the essence of our sport we just cant loose that aspect as it truly puts us above any other form of racing imho.
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    Aprilia have announced there will be a special press conference this weekend. Here’s hoping it’s a satellite team and not a withdrawal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Aprilia have announced there will be a special press conference this weekend. Here’s hoping it’s a satellite team and not a withdrawal.
    I'm hoping RNF satellite team with Fernandez and Rins
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    Apparently keeping AE and MV, and teasing a satellite team
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    Quote Originally Posted by iYRe View Post
    Apparently keeping AE and MV, and teasing a satellite team
    WTAF were they thinking? Keeping MV? With a volatile rider market and riders available who actually want to win?
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    WTAF were they thinking? Keeping MV? With a volatile rider market and riders available who actually want to win?
    I think they feel like they think MV, once he feels part of the family, will relax and realise more of his potential.
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