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    Question Unsure of CBR650R LAMS restrictions

    Under the list of approved motorcycles, it lists the CBR650RA, it doesn’t mention if this needs to be the restricted bike (35Kw) or the full power bike. Can I ride the full power bike under LAMS?

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    Well it makes sense if you can ride the full power bike. I mean why would they not want you to do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParkins View Post
    Under the list of approved motorcycles, it lists the CBR650RA, it doesn’t mention if this needs to be the restricted bike (35Kw) or the full power bike. Can I ride the full power bike under LAMS?
    If you look on the NZ Transport Agency website ... it lists the bike as follows ... CB650RA (HONCB650RAL).

    The model listed (in brackets) ... CB650 RAL. The L will be for the learner version.

    I'm guessing you already knew that ... as it does list the LAM's model ... but good on you for asking. LAMS models of the various Manufacturers are often discussed here.

    A full power motorcycle ... or a Restricted motorcycle for a learner motorcyclist ... to legally ride on NZ roads ... ???

    But ... (yes there IS a "But") ...

    The ease of which you can buy/Register (in your name) a NON LAM's motorcycle ... and ride it on the roads ... might astound you.

    Buying it is not an issue. Having it registered in your name isn't breaking any laws either. However ... that law bit is about NOT riding outside the conditions of your License.

    It is a free country. YOU choose.



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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Well it makes sense if you can ride the full power bike. I mean why would they not want you to do that?
    Perhaps ... if the LAM's model WAS listed for the use of these with restricted licenses.
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    Question Derestrict?

    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    If you look on the NZ Transport Agency website ... it lists the bike as follows ... CB650RA (HONCB650RAL).

    The model listed (in brackets) ... CB650 RAL. The L will be for the learner version.

    I'm guessing you already knew that ... as it does list the LAM's model ... but good on you for asking. LAMS models of the various Manufacturers are often discussed here.

    A full power motorcycle ... or a Restricted motorcycle for a learner motorcyclist ... to legally ride on NZ roads ... ???

    But ... (yes there IS a "But") ...

    The ease of which you can buy/Register (in your name) a NON LAM's motorcycle ... and ride it on the roads ... might astound you.

    Buying it is not an issue. Having it registered in your name isn't breaking any laws either. However ... that law bit is about NOT riding outside the conditions of your License.

    It is a free country. YOU choose.



    Feeling lucky ... ????
    I understand I can derestrict the motorcycle, am I likely to be caught or as long as it is stock for WoF can I get away with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    It is a free country. YOU choose.



    Feeling lucky ... ????
    Yeah. That seems just the sort of thing that an insurance company might latch on to in order to deny a claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParkins View Post
    I understand I can derestrict the motorcycle, am I likely to be caught or as long as it is stock for WoF can I get away with it?
    Wow, this one is cruising for a bruising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Yeah. That seems just the sort of thing that an insurance company might latch on to in order to deny a claim.
    The trouble is then compounded ... when the insurance company of the vehicle he hit ... comes looking for their money.

    A minor road accident becomes major issue.
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    Can you even get the full power ones in NZ? When I was in the Honda dealer a few months back, I was told that they only import the LAMS version.

    I guess it might be possible to derestrict it, depending on how they restricted it in the first place.

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    They derestrict very well. Up close to 90hp i have seen. Basically double....

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    Quote Originally Posted by release_the_bees View Post
    I guess it might be possible to derestrict it, depending on how they restricted it in the first place.
    https://dynobike.com.au/desresrict-cbr650-lams/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParkins View Post
    I understand I can derestrict the motorcycle, am I likely to be caught or as long as it is stock for WoF can I get away with it?
    People commit serious criminal offenses ... in the belief they wont get caught.

    If you believe you won't ... do it.


    Those testing for WOF are not Police. They do not care what your license status is.



    Just do not get involved in a serious motor vehicle accident. Well ... not before you get your full license. If you don't have it already.
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    Wink are you really "unsure"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrParkins View Post
    Under the list of approved motorcycles, it lists the CBR650RA, it doesn’t mention if this needs to be the restricted bike (35Kw) or the full power bike. Can I ride the full power bike under LAMS?
    Easy, no...

    Quote Originally Posted by DrParkins View Post
    I understand I can derestrict the motorcycle, am I likely to be caught or as long as it is stock for WoF can I get away with it?
    Right... so what you really want to know is will the police catch you out riding the full powered version of a LAMS bike (on a learner or restricted licence). Police won't notice, unless you are riding like a hooligan and draw attention. Insurance won't notice if the police won't notice (if you don't collect speeding tickets or bin it). If you sell it, it can't be registered as a LAMS bike so you'll need to have that conversation when the time comes.

    Really, if you're a learner on your first or second bike, you are more likely to get caught by the power and torque of the full powered bike. 4 cylinder 650 still packs a lot of punch, near as well to being 100hp and vicious in the higher rev range. Grab too much throttle at the wrong time and you'll get caught by physics and lack of experience.

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    Ahh, where's the KB of old?

    About this stage someone should declare an R1 as obvious choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Ahh, where's the KB of old?

    About this stage someone should declare an R1 as obvious choice.
    Nah ... those learners with balls ... got a Hayabusa ...
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