Beehive occupation.

[Stylo]

Thanks for the concern.

Not according to a body of evidence that is being ignored. I'll wait.

Your body of evidence source. Present it please. Let me guess, Facebook ?

Show me please. Not Social media . I want truth instead. Science and facts. That means no Donald Trump.

Your body of evidence you say is being ignored ? Post it now.

Look forward to it, waiting now.

[husaberg]

Your body of evidence source. Present it please. Let me guess, Facebook ?

Show me please. Not Social media . I want truth instead. Science and facts. That means no Donald Trump.

Your body of evidence you say is being ignored ? Post it now.

Look forward to it, waiting now.

All you need to know about Gordons latest meSSiah

from months ago he just chooses to ignore the facts.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131191987


https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131191221

What there are using is made up crap......
You are as usual swallowing it land lapping it all up ike the Coprophiliac you are.



You're certainly not missing much dave, Mashies latest Messiah is a quack, who does his own covid testing and "invented" a 100% effective in his own words cure for covid.

EL CENTRO — The owner of a local walk-in clinic says his practice was misrepresented in a recent article questioning its testing methods and billing for COVID-19.

Wow, let's see his clinic is not exactly as big nor as grand as is made out either, it's a hole-in-the-wall clinic. that opened in 2018


https://www.thedesertreview.com/busi...66af8522e.html
Situated between a lowes and a Costco Down by a Wendy's, a Target, and a Taco Bell.


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But he's mashy's new idol as he by his own claims which are of course backed up by zero trial results is he 100% cures covid 100% of the time.
but he has no trial results to back it other than his own claims which its seems are based on his own results and his own tests with no peer reviews.
He uses his own test not a recognized test its a Xray which he charges for then performs a diagnosis that no one else ican n the medical profession from an xray and the test that is no to be used as atest to detect covid. as it can tell between someone with the disease or has been simply exposed to it or has antibodies or has been vacvinated.
He then treats the patients he has "diagnosed" with a drug the medical profession has trailed and found not to work at all. plus other expensive vitamins
A drug that Trump took before he actually had covid.





What this numpty does is use a test that's actually an antibody test not recommended to test for the presence of covid then he decided he could use an Xray.

By his own words he said these people were not even sick enough to warrant testing by the medical profession


this is what the CDC and the labs say about the test he uses
Antibody testing does not replace virologic testing and should not be used to establish the presence or absence of acute SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Antibody tests yielding qualitative or semi-quantitative results have been issued EUAs; there currently is no recognized public health or clinical indication for preferential use of semi-quantitative tests.
Antibody testing is not currently recommended to assess for immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following COVID-19 vaccination, to assess the need for vaccination in an unvaccinated person, or to determine the need to quarantine after a close contact with someone who has COVID-19. Some antibody tests will not detect the antibodies generated by COVID-19 vaccines. Because these vaccines induce antibodies to specific viral protein targets, post-vaccination antibody test results will be negative in persons without history of previous infection, if the test used does not detect antibodies induced by the vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...uidelines.html

[pete376403]

News reports a couple of protesters (which in all probability means a whole lot more, as yet untested) have tested positive for C19 - wonder how they feel about having a virus that they claim does not exist. As they are unlikely to be vaccinated they may well get the serious version, in which case they will expect to go to hospital for treatment. This is where the Singapore approach would be warranted.

[mashman]

Your body of evidence source. Present it please. Let me guess, Facebook ?

Show me please. Not Social media . I want truth instead. Science and facts. That means no Donald Trump.

Your body of evidence you say is being ignored ? Post it now.

Look forward to it, waiting now.

Start with this: "Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection". And then follow all of the work that came after it.

I guarantee that you won't. You're not smart enough to understand it.

[mashman]

No problem. It's probably being ignored for a reason.

And probably due to bodies being buried.

Where are the bodies of evidence buried ... ??

And ... Waiting is your right.

Unless you're wrong.

The best of subjectively best of reasons.

I think waiting when there's a 99.x% chance of survival when catching it is a pretty rational position to take. It would seem that you sane people think, I mean, that the government thinks on your behalf that that's not enough.

[mashman]

Funny, just saw a protest video of a cop spraying pepper spray, with a masked and shielded cop then turning around and seeking medical attention. Let the shit slinging begin. Anyone got a video of the shit slinging incident that shows a different angle? So far it looks like a cop pepper spraying his colleagues and then allowing lies to be spread to cover his arse. Unless, as I said, anyone has a video that shows the incident from another angle?

[husaberg]

Start with this: "Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection". And then follow all of the work that came after it.

I guarantee that you won't. You're not smart enough to understand it.

Oh tell us more
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958916
https://factcheck.afp.com/us-cardiol...19-vaccination
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2TC0PH
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special...clusives/93936

Baylor Gets Restraining Order Against COVID Vaccine Skeptic Doc
September 16, 2021
The largest nonprofit health system in Texas has secured a temporary restraining order against cardiologist Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH, a COVID-19 vaccine skeptic who allegedly continued to claim an affiliation with Baylor

aylor Scott & White Health sued former employee and cardiologist Peter McCullough, MD, last week, alleging that he illegitimately affiliated himself with its facilities when promoting controversial views about COVID-19.

Nearly 6 months after McCullough's employment had ended, he continued to use his former professional titles -- such as "vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center" -- in media interviews in which he spread his opinions about the pandemic, the lawsuit alleged.

Doctor fired for spreading COVID misinformation

McCullough gave an interview in April 2021 to The New American, the magazine of the right-wing John Birch Society, in which he advanced anti-vaccination messaging, including falsely claiming tens of thousands of fatalities attributed to the COVID-19 vaccines

[TheDemonLord]

I could have picked better parts of town to eat. He obviously thought it was a perfectly normal thing to do.

What some refer to as normal ... others may not. Does that make it right if YOU think it is normal .. ??

If I think something is normal and ok ... and you don't ... Who is wrong .. ??

What if ... Hypothetically ... HE believed he DID have the right ... ?? As you believe YOU have the right to speak and act as you do .. ??

I don't like leaking the red stuff. That pisses me off. I'm not that big ... so I haven't got much to start with.

Just saying ...

"Your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins"

I believe I have the right to speak and act, unto myself. That is, I can do whatever I want, right up until the point where what I want to do infringes on your rights. To that end - the person who stabbed you - whether he believed he had the right or not is irrelevant, his doing do infringes upon your right.

That understanding is the core basis of our Laws. Why is Theft a Crime? Because theft deprives someone else of their property.

If YOU believe you have been restricted in your fundamental freedoms ... Fight it. Argue it in Court. As is your right.
But in times of a national Pandemic ... you might expect some restrictions. To not expect them is stupid. To not WANT them is normal.

My rights are not up for negotiation. Regardless of what justification may or may not be presented. They are not granted by the Government nor can they be taken by the Government. The Government's only role in this is to protect them.

The protest is a manifestation of that ethos.

Bullshit. There are rules and there is reality. Those places I went to today (I'm at home this week) ... that I haven't visited previously ... checked my vaccine passport ... or just asked to see it. Those places I went that knew me didn't. Are either businesses (or members of the public) being charged by Police in large numbers ... for not following the Covid rules ... ?? If not ... then it cannot be described as FORCE.

Only to those that continue to disregard the rules ... openly refusing to obey Police requests on multiple occasions ... will the threat of arrest be considered ... or made ... and as a last resort ... carried out.

Reality ... when I left all the places ... they ALL knew I had one.

Which is it? Either the rules are enFORCED, or they are not. The Businesses that have been fined thousands of dollars for not wanting to Discriminate, Are they being held aloft and made examples of, to ensure compliance by the rest of the population?

If there is any sanction upon the individual by the Government for non-compliance, then it is Force. We like to dress it up in flowery language, to divorce the fact that a Fine is backed by the threat of Violence and the overbearing tyranny of the State - but that fundamental link cannot be severed.

Reality of force ... is when the handcuffs go on with every occasion of rule breaking. Is THAT actually happening .. ??

Nope, it happens much sooner then.

WHY GET THE JABS THEN ... ??

I've told you why previously - but here's the thing: Meditate on that.

Why would someone get vaccinated, but be opposed to a Vaccine Passport.

Perhaps there's some Ethic in there. Perhaps it's got something to do with a decision made freely without coercion vs a decision made under the penalty of sanctions.

Maybe... There's a very real and very distinct philosophical difference between those two.

I've found that peoples sense of their moral code changes ... when they believe their life is actually severely at risk.

Maybe for some. I've run across a State Highway 1 to check on a Drunk driver who had just crashed, I've helped stabilize a young man and make the vehicle safe after he had totalled a Power Pole (and we didn't know if the car was electrified).

To this point, when I've come across a situation where I could keep walking or keep driving or look the other direction vs stepping in and risking my life, I've always stepped in.

You forget ... I'm ex Army. Simple fact ... we were trained to kill people.

Some might say we lacked morals to be able to do so ... I disagree. Hypothetically even ... I might have been sent to kill on your behalf.

Do you feel better ... or worse now.

I never forget who here has served. And I feel exactly the same as I always have: It is better to be a Warrior, tending to your garden.

It wasn't a "Trend" ... they were doing ... it was just part of their War effort. And usually reporting false news.

There is a word for that ... it's called propaganda. Is that a hanging offense ... ??

You might (or might not) be familiar with the term ... but it certainly differs from what most regard as ... "Actual News".

Group A publishes their Propaganda, against Group B
Group B publishes their Propaganda, against Group A

The reader/listener/viewer gets to look at the evidence both sides presents and makes their own determination. Certainly in a War, there was some restrictions, but not as many as you might think. Case in point when the US Senator bragged about the Japanese not setting their Depth Charges correctly - that one bit of reporting cost upwards of 900 sailors.

In Britain, listening to Lord Haw Haw was discouraged but not illegal, Often people wanted to see things from the enemy perspective.

That was the reasonably noble tradition of Journalism, not perfect - but on the whole a lot more robust that what currently passes. The BBC is another great example - once considered the gold standard for impartiality, even into the 2000s, it's now just another Lefty mouthpiece, which is why increasingly people are not paying the licence fee and there are calls for the BBC to be scrapped.

And that only took 10-15 years.

[FJRider]

Start with this: "Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection". And then follow all of the work that came after it.

I guarantee that you won't. You're not smart enough to understand it.

I'll give it a shot ... the LINK ...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7410805/


Principles of COVID-19 outpatient care include:

1) reduction of reinoculation.

We propose that fresh air could reduce reinoculation.

Because exhaled air in an infected person is considered (???) to be “loaded” with inoculum (a substance used for inoculation), each exhalation and inhalation is effectively reinoculation.

The thing is ... people don't just catch Covid from fresh air. They catch it from other people that DO have covid. People out in that same "Fresh Air" ... the same fresh air they want their freedom in.

Go figure.


2) combination antiviral therapy

A dual-combination of ribavirin and interferon-α has been the widely used regimen for the treatment of this disease in China.
Ribavirin is an antiviral medication that is used to treat chronic hepatitis C.

At the end of June 2020, Roche, the supplier of interferon alfa-2a (Roferon-A) stopped making this medicine globally.

The use of ribavirin with interferon or peginterferon for the treatment of hepatitis C is no longer recommended due to the poor efficacy and high rate of adverse effects with this regimen.

Alpha interferon in various formulations had been developed as therapy of several forms of cancer and viral infections, but its major use has been as therapy of chronic hepatitis C


Obviously ... a few seem to have not noticed that ... (as above) they STOPPED MAKING IT.

3) Immunomodulation

Thalidomide, lenalidomide, and pomalidomide. Thalidomide (Thalomid), lenalidomide (Revlimid), and pomalidomide (Pomalyst) are known as immunomodulating drugs (or IMiDs). These drugs can cause side effects such as drowsiness, fatigue, constipation, low blood cell counts, and neuropathy (painful nerve damage)

Any of those drugs (above) sound familiar ... ??

4) antiplatelet/antithrombotic therapy.

There are two classes of antithrombotic drugs: anticoagulants and antiplatelet drugs. Anticoagulants slow down clotting, thereby reducing fibrin formation and preventing clots from forming and growing. Antiplatelet agents prevent platelets from clumping and also prevent clots from forming and growing.

How does blood clotting changes affect a VIRAL infection .. ??

5) administration of oxygen, monitoring, and telemedicine.

Conclusion: study shows that home telemonitoring and oxygen administration can be safely applied in COVID-19 patients resulting in a high patient satisfaction and reduction in hospital stay and costs.

These are treatments for those WITH Covid. Nothing mentioned how it prevents an infection with Covid. Sounds like a horse/stable door scenario.

And ... every anti-vaxxer wants the freedom to travel ... and get the Virus.

Based on the above principals ... Treatment for the virus ... is better than a vaccine to prevent it infecting AND affecting you.




Apparently.





REALLY ... ???

I bet a few of those protesting in Wellington never knew they had Covid. One of the main claims of the protesters there was ... THEY didn't have Covid.

And here they were all along ... reinoculating themselves ... AND OTHERS. ALL in the name of THEIR FREEDOMS.

Yep ... Another ...


GO FIGURE ...


And here was I thinking ... Prevention is better than a cure.


Who knew ... ???

[mashman]

haven't been reported on? have you heard of social media, there were a few on the roundabout at carterton, a few in a reasonable sized rural town, there will always be support for things, but it really seems so small in real life. The BLM march to parilament was many times this, and what was that all about.?
Social media can drum up a storm, but 'people aren't keen on protesting' hardly explains the tiny numbers

Match report from a member of the logistics department. Can't show the video of the operation because some don't want to accidentally be identified for various reasons.

"Sometimes 2 to 3 times the people here feeding thousands a not a very good video, so thousands of people are donating food equipment water, you name it. It comes in at the entrance where a lot of the BBQing is done stored prepped and plated up, by people of all walks of life all races all denominations working like trojans 7 days up to 16 hrs a day. Many have been mandated out of their livelihood, have Vax injured friends or relatives and many now ostracised by society for not taking a jab that does not make them in anyway less infectious than those that have. Cars and Vans continually run back and fourth to parliament where there are food tents set up as you know. There are 80 year old ladies, nurses, doctors scientists ect,working here all voluntary disgusted at the unscientif immoral mandates and where these politicians and media are deceiving NZ into. It has been humbling working alongside soo many Real Kiwis all in unity from all walks the exact opposite of what is being portrayed by the media." - A good cunt!

People doing what they can while having to work for a living to pay for the ever increasing costs of life... the mandate and moronic decision making playing more than just their part.

[FJRider]

The best of subjectively best of reasons.

I think waiting when there's a 99.x% chance of survival when catching it is a pretty rational position to take. It would seem that you sane people think, I mean, that the government thinks on your behalf that that's not enough.

Tell that to the millions of dead world wide that have died as a result of catching a Covid variant. (About 5.91 million)

56 of those in NZ.

I'm sure the families of those 56 ... will be glad to hear of your predictions and claims ...


Yeah ... right.

[husaberg]

It would seem that you sane people think, I mean, that the government thinks on your behalf that that's not enough.

That same goverment you have tried twice to convince people you are smart enough to get into
But fell short by 100% of the required vote.

[mashman]

I'll give it a shot ... the LINK ...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7410805/


Principles of COVID-19 outpatient care include:

1) reduction of reinoculation.

We propose that fresh air could reduce reinoculation.

Because exhaled air in an infected person is considered (???) to be “loaded” with inoculum (a substance used for inoculation), each exhalation and inhalation is effectively reinoculation.

The thing is ... people don't just catch Covid from fresh air. They catch it from other people that DO have covid. People out in that same "Fresh Air" ... the same fresh air they want their freedom in.

Go figure.


2) combination antiviral therapy

A dual-combination of ribavirin and interferon-α has been the widely used regimen for the treatment of this disease in China.
Ribavirin is an antiviral medication that is used to treat chronic hepatitis C.

At the end of June 2020, Roche, the supplier of interferon alfa-2a (Roferon-A) stopped making this medicine globally.

The use of ribavirin with interferon or peginterferon for the treatment of hepatitis C is no longer recommended due to the poor efficacy and high rate of adverse effects with this regimen.

Alpha interferon in various formulations had been developed as therapy of several forms of cancer and viral infections, but its major use has been as therapy of chronic hepatitis C


Obviously ... a few seem to have not noticed that ... (as above) they STOPPED MAKING IT.

3) Immunomodulation

Thalidomide, lenalidomide, and pomalidomide. Thalidomide (Thalomid), lenalidomide (Revlimid), and pomalidomide (Pomalyst) are known as immunomodulating drugs (or IMiDs). These drugs can cause side effects such as drowsiness, fatigue, constipation, low blood cell counts, and neuropathy (painful nerve damage)

Any of those drugs (above) sound familiar ... ??

4) antiplatelet/antithrombotic therapy.

There are two classes of antithrombotic drugs: anticoagulants and antiplatelet drugs. Anticoagulants slow down clotting, thereby reducing fibrin formation and preventing clots from forming and growing. Antiplatelet agents prevent platelets from clumping and also prevent clots from forming and growing.

How does blood clotting changes affect a VIRAL infection .. ??

5) administration of oxygen, monitoring, and telemedicine.

Conclusion: study shows that home telemonitoring and oxygen administration can be safely applied in COVID-19 patients resulting in a high patient satisfaction and reduction in hospital stay and costs.

Sounds like a horse/stable door scenario.

And ... every anti-vaxxer wants the freedom to travel ... and get the Virus.

Based on the above principals ... Treatment for the virus ... is better than a vaccine to prevent it infecting AND affecting you.




Apparently.





REALLY ... ???

I bet a few of those protesting in Wellington never knew they had Covid. One of the main claims of the protesters there was ... THEY didn't have Covid.

And here they were all along ... reinoculating themselves ... AND OTHERS. ALL in the name of THEIR FREEDOMS.

Yep ... Another ...


GO FIGURE ...


And here was I thinking ... Prevention is better than a cure.


Who knew ... ???

These are treatments for those WITH Covid. Nothing mentioned how it prevents an infection with Covid.

They were presenting in the field results i.e. people cured of Covid ... you're not really keeping up are you.

Now go and read the rest of the information that answers those questions.

I think you'll find that the position of Mccullough et al, hmmmmmmm, there really is no point in me explaining what they have already explained only for you to tell me that they didn't explain that and that if they did explain that then the context that you dream up will negate the possibility that they can have ever explained things that way. They are not anti-vaxx. They see vaccination as the last step of a set of steps that need to be checked off before going anywhere near a vaccination. General principles of medicine I think they're called... you know, those pesky things that were thrown out of the window to bring you a jab that didn't match testing. Oh how QED is that... unless it doesn't suit your narrative.

Seriously, go and answer those questions yourself and stop rockin' the tdl vibe, they're all answered.

[mashman]

Tell that to the millions of dead world wide that have died as a result of catching a Covid variant. (About 5.91 million)

56 of those in NZ.

I'm sure the families of those 56 ... will be glad to hear of your predictions and claims ...


Yeah ... right.

I think you can shove that bit of projection up your well reamed ass.

[MD]

I want to give praise to those that are debating this thread against a few dickhead individuals that are so stupid and lacking in common sense and brain cells that it beggars belief. If some of these people grew a brain cell it would be bloody lonely. They define a new level of dumb. Oxford Dictionary may well one day use them as the definition of dumb. I don't care if a few idiots, losers, hippies and dole bludgers want to protest at Parliament and demand their selfish so called rights. The problem is in their world only three people exist; me, myself & I. It is their hypocrisy, selfishness and total lack of thought, kindness, courtesy and caring to others that pisses me off. And all the time they chant, freedom and love for all. The lying worthless pieces of shit don't mean 'all', all they care about is me, myself & I. They want to overthrow the government, but you can rest assured not the Welfare Dept that gives them money for being useless, parasitic members of society. That Dept is Ok because it suits me, myself & I.. Lets just list a few of their accomplishments; stealing rubber mats from a childrens playground, throwing human faeces at people, pissing and shitting into the storm waters polluting our beautiful harbour, desecrating our war memorial to those that really did fight for our freedom, kicking a school girl for wearing a mask, closing two schools from trying to educate our children, closing dozens of businesses from trying to survive in tough times and pay their employees dependent on the income and denying good citizens of their freedom of movement and safety. Hardly the stuff of sainthoods.

This thread should be terminated because you cannot argue/debate with stupid and the rest of us intelligent New Zealanders (95%) are doing the right thing- doing what makes sense and is best for ALL, not me, myself, I