Beehive occupation.

[FJRider]

Personally I was gonna go with orders are orders.

Nothing so mundane ... Sorry.

Can I trust that you read it correctly and didn't have a prior understanding or ideological viewpoint that tainted your reading of that other stuff. After all, the Law always has more than one side .

I signed the dotted line ... I served ... I swore the same oath ... and lastly ... I have had the (Military) facts of life explained to me.

As much as I would like to say it was purely MY viewpoint ... and an opinion to gain your ire ... sadly it is NOT.


Such is Service life.

Which makes me wonder... Did you read that paper and answer your own questions given your new understanding of it

There are many points of life in the military ... that a civilian will not be aware of. And better (maybe) they don't know.

Everybody sleeps better that way.

I know, but not all of the arguments were ground in "the crown pwn's you!". Orders are orders after all.

Actually ... it's nothing to do with "Orders".

It's to do with the fine print in the papers we (happily) signed.


And ... they gave us a gun too ...

[FJRider]

Well that didn’t take long.... bunch of white people blocking road outside another govt institution ...

It wasn't a NZ Government institution ... It was the Russian Embassy.

[neels]

Well that didn’t take long.... bunch of white people blocking road outside another govt institution and with children st their protest too. Shall we call them pro trump white supremicists as well? I see they have also defaced private and public property. Also heinous crime of not wearing their masks properly must be mouth breathers as previously described by devout branchcovidians on here...,

You must have linked the wrong video.

I could see a group of people upset at the way their homeland was being treated, protesting to the local representatives of the aggressors, while wearing masks in a better fashion than half of the idiots you see at the supermarket. All the while traffic passing freely by and not being materially obstructed, and no general public being assaulted or abused, and nobody shitting on the lawn or throwing it at anyone.

Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest, mhmm

[mashman]

I signed the dotted line ... I served ... I swore the same oath ... and lastly ... I have had the (Military) facts of life explained to me.

As much as I would like to say it was purely MY viewpoint ... and an opinion to gain your ire ... sadly it is NOT.

Such is Service life.

lol@ire (sat-ire maybe). Why would I think it was your viewpoint? I know you were a soldier. You've mentioned it once or twice. I know that that means the abdication of ones own opinion when told so. Jus' sayin'.

It's to do with the fine print in the papers we (happily) signed.

"We have the right to do to you and tell you to do whatever we want, because you signed a piece of paper that said so. Or there's the door.". And they say logic, reason and common sense is dead.

Seems there's some movement with the thar laws after all.

[Kickaha]

I had a look for recent stats on NZ suicide ... it's dropping.


Nothing about any increase in any lockdown period.

It has for the last two years and there has not been an increase due to lockdown, unfortunately dumbarse motherfuckers have parroted the "suicides have increased" line enough times that the stupid have believed it, repeated it and the cycle continued

Both the Mental Health Foundation and Ministry of Health did a press release about this due to the fucktard cunts spreading this bullshit

[husaberg]

If we regard science as anything different, then you're wrong... then again, science doesn't ignore anything as it disproves things in order to remove them from the equation, maybe you are wrong.

Seriously? We don't think that science is the same thing? ... You don't like 1 body of evidence. That you have to call it something other than science, despite the evidence presented, well, yeah, that doesn;t make your position scientific in any way shape or form. It makes you a parrot.

Polly is crackers....
Can you tell me that this says Norman?
https://academic.oup.com/ofid/articl...fab358/6316214

Retracted: Meta-analysis of Randomized Trials of Ivermectin to Treat SARS-CoV-2 Infection

Ivermectin is an antiparasitic drug being investigated for repurposing against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Ivermectin showed in vitro activity against SARS-COV-2, but only at high concentrations. This meta-analysis investigated ivermectin in 23 randomized clinical trials (3349 patients) identified through systematic searches of PUBMED, EMBASE, MedRxiv, and trial registries. The primary meta-analysis was carried out by excluding studies at a high risk of bias. Ivermectin did not show a statistically significant effect on survival (risk ratio [RR], 0.90; 95% CI, 0.57 to 1.42; P = .66) or hospitalizations (RR, 0.63; 95% CI, 0.36 to 1.11; P = .11). Ivermectin displayed a borderline significant effect on duration of hospitalization in comparison with standard of care (mean difference, –1.14 days; 95% CI, –2.27 to –0.00; P = .05). There was no significant effect of ivermectin on time to clinical recovery (mean difference, –0.57 days; 95% CI, –1.31 to 0.17; P = .13) or binary clinical recovery (RR, 1.19; 95% CI, 0.94 to 1.50; P = .15). Currently, the World Health Organization recommends the use of ivermectin only inside clinical trials. A network of large clinical trials is in progress to validate the results seen to date.

On July 6, 2021, Open Forum Infectious Diseases published the article “Meta-analysis of Randomized Trials of Ivermectin to Treat SARS-CoV-2 Infection” by Hill, et al. Subsequently, we and the authors learned that one of the largest studies on which this analysis was based was withdrawn due to fraudulent data; additional problems have emerged regarding other studies included in the original paper. An editorial Expression of Concern was first published under this record as the authors revised their analysis for resubmission.

if its a cure exactly why would it need fraudulent data.

or this
https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...inst-covid-19/

No scientific evidence demonstrates that hydroxychloroquine is useful for preventing or treating COVID-19, despite social media posts and articles claiming otherwise. Large, randomized, controlled clinical trials in several countries found that hydroxychloroquine doesn't produce any benefits in terms of mortality rate or clinical outcomes in COVID-19 patients. Due to the lack of benefits and risk of heart rhythm problems, public health authorities recommend against using hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients outside of clinical trials.

Rather than issuing recommendations, scientific journals publish articles where the authors might recommend for or against the use of a particular treatment. For example, The American Journal of Medicine previously published an editorial in which the authors recommend against the use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 patients, which also doesn’t mean that it endorsed this recommendation.

Many articles and posts cite the article by McCullough et al. as a “study”, claiming “the study found that immediate use of hydroxychloroquine, while the patient was still at home, showed significant benefits”. This article focuses on early treatment strategies that can reduce the risk of hospitalization and death in ambulatory COVID-19 patients. Given the lack of clinical trials and specific guidelines for the early treatment of COVID-19 patients, the authors propose several strategies and recommendations.

However, the publication by McCullough et al. doesn’t provide new evidence on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 patients, contrary to what many social media posts claim. “Studies” or “research articles” are publications that report newly collected research data and include specific sections describing the methods, results, and conclusions of the research. Instead, the article by McCullough et al. makes general recommendations for treating ambulatory COVID-19 patients based on previous evidence. In fact, the article’s summary highlights the lack of scientific evidence on the topic:

“In the absence of clinical trials and guidelines, with hospitalizations and mortality mounting, it is prudent to deploy treatment for COVID-19 based on pathophysiological principles”.

Therefore, the claim that the publication by McCullough et al. provides scientific evidence of the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 patients is inaccurate.

[pritch]

The question remains ... WHY ... for something that the Anti- vax brigade claim that Covid is nothing more serious than the Flu ... is something THEY need hospital treatment for .. ??

Ah but it’s not the COVID that’s making them sick. The government is bombarding them with EMF rays.

I dunno why they don’t just put their tinfoil hats on.

Coupla days ago one person in ICU. Yesterday five deaths. At least four of these people were not in ICU. The government site says there will be no further comment in deference to the grieving families.

The thought occurs that Darwin’s theory might be catching up with these fucking idiot protestors.

[onearmedbandit]

Ah but it’s not the COVID that’s making them sick. The government is bombarding them with EMF rays.

I dunno why they don’t just put their tinfoil hats on.

They've already started.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...s-at-camp.html

[FJRider]

"We have the right to do to you and tell you to do whatever we want, because you signed a piece of paper that said so.

That is all they say.


NO doors were ever mentioned.


As simple as that.

[FJRider]

lol@ire (sat-ire maybe). Why would I think it was your viewpoint? I know you were a soldier. You've mentioned it once or twice. I know that that means the abdication of ones own opinion when told so. Jus' sayin'.

Your line of ...

Can I trust that you read it correctly and didn't have a prior understanding or ideological viewpoint that tainted your reading of that other stuff. After all, the Law always has more than one side

[sugilite:Me]

Indeed....

Look how slim those NZ Space Force soldiers are? Bet the American space force would not fit into those snazzy outfits

[FJRider]

They've already started.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...s-at-camp.html

I like this bit near the bottom ...

"Let's call it what it is, flu-like symptoms, we don't know what it is unless you are dumb enough to get a test," Flutey told the podcast.

It seems that a few protesters WERE "Dumb enough" to get tested ... and wouldn't you know it ... they had Covid.

[pete376403]

That is all they say.


NO doors were ever mentioned.


As simple as that.

If referring to the army, there may have been a door to Ardmore that might be open to dissenters

[mashman]

Your line of ...

That was sat-ire... apart from the last bit, which is true, always.

[FJRider]

If referring to the army, there may have been a door to Ardmore that might be open to dissenters

They did indeed have an open door policy there ...