Beehive occupation.

[TheDemonLord]

The feeling seems to be that the reduction in scanning is because people are trying to avoid the restrictions associated with being identified as a contact, which presumably is what you are referring to as tyranny.

To be fair I get that, not wanting to be deemed a close contact just because you were at the opposite end of an aeroplane from someone who later tests positive, or if you're popping into the dairy for 5 minutes when you need to be exposed for 15 minutes without a mask to be considered a contact why bother.

Hold up, there's just a few teensy tiny things you're glossing over there (and I wouldn't be me if I didn't pick them up).

Firstly: What 'People'? We've gone from 2.5 million scans to 1.5 million - That is looking like some form of Majority or at least, a sizeable segment of Society - not just the 'few thousands of protestors' or 'some fringe minority'

Secondly: What does this tell you? People no longer feel the rules are reasonable to follow. Now, you can make an argument as to whether the rules were ever reasonable to follow (No points for guessing I never thought they were) but the Majority of the Population did and now they don't.

The Protestors have 2 main points of contention:

1: The choose to get vaccinated or not is a personal choice and should never be subject to any loss of rights or any form of discrimination.
2: The rules are now not fit for purpose.

People are looking overseas at the likes of the UK (which realistically only dropped all mandates to save BoJo due to Party Gate - but once again BoJo, in the most british way possible, stumbles blindly onto the right thing to do), the likes of the Canadians (Sorry Bout that, Honk Honk, Aye) and going 'actually, we want a bit of that'

Omicron is just the sniffles for some people, but not all of the people, otherwise there wouldn't be people in hospital. Whether that justifies the level of restrictions is a multi headed monster that can be debated forever without reaching an absolute conclusion.

The flu is just the sniffles for some people, yet I lost my Granddad (99 and 2/3rds) and my Wife lost her Great Granny (96) both to a Combination of being really old and getting the Flu.

So, it's not like I'm not aware that some people die of disease or complications of disease. Would they have traded a few more months of living for locking the entire country down during Flu season? I'm pretty confident saying that they wouldn't.

As you say, does it justify the level of restrictions? I think with the Data we now have on Omicron, that is a fairly objective 'No'.

I said right at the start of the Pandemic, if the Death rate went over 5% I'd start to get worried, well in hindsight - less than 1% death rate and Children practically immune.

[R650R]

The feeling seems to be that the reduction in scanning is because people are trying to avoid the restrictions associated with being identified as a contact, which presumably is what you are referring to as tyranny.

To be fair I get that, not wanting to be deemed a close contact just because you were at the opposite end of an aeroplane from someone who later tests positive, or if you're popping into the dairy for 5 minutes when you need to be exposed for 15 minutes without a mask to be considered a contact why bother.

Omicron is just the sniffles for some people, but not all of the people, otherwise there wouldn't be people in hospital. Whether that justifies the level of restrictions is a multi headed monster that can be debated forever without reaching an absolute conclusion.

A few things you may have missed (I did because I refuse to watch the daily propoganda show)
You are ONLY a close contact if in a bar/massage parlour/aeroplane etc eg lots of people confined space for long time.
Any normal shops supermarket dairy etc you are not a close contact even if there at same time, they only want you to get tested if you have symptoms in those occasions. So effectively scanning is redundant at all places except those mentioned in first place as by default a good citizen that believes in all this would get themselves tested if they had symptoms regardless of where they had been as per public health request.
If Adern and co had any brains at they would have realised this very obvious contradiction and removed the MANDATE to scan everywhere to only scan at businesses involving close intimate contact or nightclubs etc and then the protest never would have started.....

Towing starts at 6.30 tonight should be entertaining....

[neels]

Firstly: What 'People'? We've gone from 2.5 million scans to 1.5 million - That is looking like some form of Majority or at least, a sizeable segment of Society - not just the 'few thousands of protestors' or 'some fringe minority'.

In no way referring to the protesters, in fact entirely referring to the majority who have either lost interest in scanning codes, or would rather avoid the restrictions associated with being identified as a covid contact.

Secondly: What does this tell you? People no longer feel the rules are reasonable to follow. Now, you can make an argument as to whether the rules were ever reasonable to follow (No points for guessing I never thought they were) but the Majority of the Population did and now they don't.

It was very apparent that a significant number of people chose to ignore the rules in last year's lockdown as compared to the first, so it logically follows that as the duration of restrictions extend the level of compliance will continue to decrease, particularly when there is no perceived threat.

[R650R]

Im still laughing at this .... https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/polit...those-involved

Some of us think our leaders look “imported” too... like from Korea or China.....

Jesus she’s really trying to play the stereotypes and stitch up a bit of American politics into mix too.
Yeah it’s like no other nz protest before AAC never had our leaders ran away and refused to talk...

[R650R]

This morning I note that some chancers seeking to gain from this mess are referring to the demonstratore as "working class" and those opposing them as the "elites".
My initial reaction was that most would be unemployed, but it has been pointed out that some of the cars are too new to be owned by the impecunious.

How flash your car/bike is stopped being a status symbol long time ago. Predatory finance companies lend to anyone these days. Unless your up in mcclarenf1/Bugatti/Bentley etc your ride means nothing

[neels]

You are ONLY a close contact if in a bar/massage parlour/aeroplane etc eg lots of people confined space for long time.

Actually a few more places than that, which is a likely explanation for the reduction in scanning. On the basis of the below the likelihood of a contact notification would be much less scanning in to individual shops in a mall, rather than the mall itself. Some of the definitions would apply to a huge number of workplaces. There's also a reasonable likelihood of encountering a numpty who can't wear a mask properly.

You are also considered a Close Contact if you have:

been close (within 1.5 metres) to a positive case of COVID-19 for more than 15 minutes and the Case was not wearing a mask or wasn’t wearing it properly
or
had direct contact with respiratory secretions or saliva from a Case (eg, kissing, shared a cigarette, vape or drink bottle, or if the person coughed or sneezed directly on you)
or
spent time in an indoor space for more than 1 hour with a case and at least one of the following:
the Case was singing, shouting, smoking, vaping, exercising, or dancing
the Case was not wearing a mask or wasn’t wearing it properly
the indoor space was poorly ventilated (ie, there were no windows or doors open)
the indoor space was smaller than 100m2 (about three double garages).

as by default a good citizen that believes in all this would get themselves tested if they had symptoms regardless of where they had been as per public health request.

I suspect that's not a reasonable assumption

Towing starts at 6.30 tonight should be entertaining....

Back on topic, best get the live stream on and pull up a chair, and wait for the screams of oppression and brutality to begin.

[pritch]

Im still laughing at this .... https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/polit...those-involved

She's right though. These dickheads decided to try to copy what was happening in Canada. When they started to organise a convoy they didn't even know why they were doing it. They still don't. It's just a grab bag of misfits and mental cases with no clear goal.

They want to negotiate with the government but they can't all agree on what they want. It would be a waste of time talking to them but it may happen anyway. They are all getting sick, cold, and tired. Somebody might talk to them to give them an excuse to say they won and fuck off before their kids are taken off them for child neglect.

[R650R]

She's right though. These dickheads decided to try to copy what was happening in Canada. When they started to organise a convoy they didn't even know why they were doing it. They still don't. It's just a grab bag of misfits and mental cases with no clear goal.

They want to negotiate with the government but they can't all agree on what they want. It would be a waste of time talking to them but it may happen anyway. They are all getting sick, cold, and tired. Somebody might talk to them to give them an excuse to say they won and fuck off before their kids are taken off them for child neglect.

Isn’t it ironic in the age of MMP coalition govts we have now a coalition protest with similar unclear direction....

Anyhow this bloke has wiped the floor with Jacinda and shown us what real leadership and direction sounds like. He just raised the public opinion of the police by orders of magnitude on both sides id say. No petty name calling or judgement just states some of the issues and things that need to happen for it to carry on in a safe manner and whatever being done in terms of creating dialogue with the leadership elements of the protestors. Legend and full respect.

[R650R]

Back on topic, best get the live stream on and pull up a chair, and wait for the screams of oppression and brutality to begin.

It seems they’ve all suddenly ended.... a national security D notice by Jacinda.... or perhaps media trying to redirect us to their direct platforms briefly for ad revenue....?????

Anyhow judging by what that awesome cop said in the video posted above it seems like our police have too much integrity and self respect to let it turn into a disaster despite what many protagonists on both side are prob gagging for it....

[TheDemonLord]

In no way referring to the protesters, in fact entirely referring to the majority who have either lost interest in scanning codes, or would rather avoid the restrictions associated with being identified as a covid contact.

It was very apparent that a significant number of people chose to ignore the rules in last year's lockdown as compared to the first, so it logically follows that as the duration of restrictions extend the level of compliance will continue to decrease, particularly when there is no perceived threat.

Both of which are the basis for my saying that the Protest, despite it being small in the numbers actually at parliament, has a wide, grass-roots basis for support.

People have lost interest (as you say) and no longer perceive a threat.

[TheDemonLord]

She's right though. These dickheads decided to try to copy what was happening in Canada. When they started to organise a convoy they didn't even know why they were doing it. They still don't. It's just a grab bag of misfits and mental cases with no clear goal.

They want to negotiate with the government but they can't all agree on what they want. It would be a waste of time talking to them but it may happen anyway. They are all getting sick, cold, and tired. Somebody might talk to them to give them an excuse to say they won and fuck off before their kids are taken off them for child neglect.

Which is it Pritch?

Do they have no clear goal or are they copying another protest (with a very well established goal)?

You can't have it both ways. From everything I've seen, there is an overarching goal which is the removal of the Mandates and restrictions, Now.

Not when Stalinda decrees it, but now. A notion I wholeheartedly support.

[pritch]

Which is it Pritch?

Do they have no clear goal or are they copying another protest (with a very well established goal)?

You can't have it both ways. From everything I've seen, there is an overarching goal which is the removal of the Mandates and restrictions, Now.

Not when Stalinda decrees it, but now. A notion I wholeheartedly support.

I can absolutely have it both ways because that's exactly what's happening.

Removing "mandates" just as COVID moves in to top gear would be insane, but OK you do you.

[R650R]

I can absolutely have it both ways because that's exactly what's happening.

Removing "mandates" just as COVID moves in to top gear would be insane, but OK you do you.

Delta was the TopGear version although promised to be ‘faster’ than last years model turned out to be limited by electronic rider aids. Omicron was originally marketed as like a panigale V4sp but instead is a 900ss tourer with non removable euro7 emmisions mapping.
If removing mandates is insane why’s is govt allowing sick essential workers to keep working and reducing isolation times. Remember we told even one preventable death is worth the sacrifice of lockdown life.....

[husaberg]

Delta was the TopGear version although promised to be ‘faster’ than last years model turned out to be limited by electronic rider aids. Omicron was originally marketed as like a panigale V4sp but instead is a 900ss tourer with non removable euro7 emmisions mapping.
If removing mandates is insane why’s is govt allowing sick essential workers to keep working and reducing isolation times. Remember we told even one preventable death is worth the sacrifice of lockdown life.....

maybe you could explain how covid has caused
Ireland Total cases 1.24M
Deaths 6,291
in Ireland a country with a similar population size to NZ, if NZ is so badly, managed the situation why has Ireland had so many more people die and so many more cases.
NZ Covid Total Cases 21,573
Deaths 53


I have also added in AUS UK and USA to show how out of touch with reality you really are

US Cases 77,600,000 (thats 77 million SFB)
Deaths 918,000

UK Cases 18 000 000
Deaths 160,000

AUS
2.920,000 Case
Deaths 4,618

Also why has everyone else in the whole world had more people die per capita? you know those pesky little details you like to avoid talking about.
i look forward to your traditional lack of response.

[TheDemonLord]

I can absolutely have it both ways because that's exactly what's happening.

I haven't used this phrase in a while, but I think it's warranted here: That's some major cognitive dissonance.

You acknowledge they are copying a protest, but refuse to acknowledge they are copying the thing being protested.

Despite the signs.
Despite the messages.
Despite the words of those who support the protest.
Despite everything.

Removing "mandates" just as COVID moves in to top gear would be insane, but OK you do you.

I mean first and foremost, there was never any moral justification for Mandates, regardless of whether COVID is in top gear or not.

However, according to The Science^tm Omicron is literally the Sniffles.

Less deadly than the seasonal Flu.
70 times less deadly than Delta.