Beehive occupation.

[FJRider]

The courts are refusing to hear the evidence of that appeal on the basis that the majority took the jab.

AND ... All the Lawyers in this country ... aren't willing to represent ANY of them in a court case of some/any kind. I wonder why that is ... ??

As such, the protestors are very much making their duty of care to everyone in the country known. I know you don't like to think that the protestors are human beings, but they are.

What "Duty of Care" do those protesting have ... to ANYBODY but themselves AND their families ... ???

Those that made decisions (For or against the jabs) ... made their own choice of their own free will. Those that got the jabs ... will have to live with it (Being vaccinated will give them a better chance). I hope the one's that didn't are feeling lucky. They might need some good luck.

A primary "duty of care" means ... that a business (Read Government here) has the primary responsibility for the health and safety of workers and others influenced by its work (read Population). All businesses/Government must ensure ... so far as is reasonably practicable, the health and safety of its workers (Population) and any other workers who are influenced or directed by the business (Beneficiaries .. ??) .

The idiots that thought 90% of the population vaccinated meant ... "Herd Immunity" would be declared. Then ... they wouldn't NEED to get a jab. Well ... they were wrong ... it didn't happen.

The "Duty of care" was by the Government ... To the population. And they provided FREE vaccinations to those that wanted it. That seems to include you.

Even early on ... the ramifications were spelt out if some chose not to get vaccinated. Even those IN employment were warned. So nobody can say they were NOT warned. I bet you got your jabs pretty early on in the process.

I know a few of 'em. Some good earners in there too. Some good earners who can't be there that are vaccinated that would also like to be there too, but hey, life. I'd suggest that if ya'll stopped being a cunt for long enough that the government would have to do the same. Let the science be heard, coz only then do you have a chance at hitting a mandate.

I know of a few too. I've made decisions in my life that ... although they were in MY (And my family's) best interest ... I wasn't happy about. But NEVER regretted it in the long term. I've made more than a few "I WANT" decisions too ... most of those didn't work out though. But it didn't stop me trying.

Good luck with your "I WANT" choices ... I hope it works for you. And your family.

Oh yeah... it's science. Should be able to dismiss it in its own right without bias... wtf ya'll afraid of?

I got the jabs ... I'm happy enough with that science.

Afraid ... nope.


Those protesters that are unvaccinated ... have more to fear than I have.

[FJRider]

Indeed, and that's usually by appealing to:

YOUR God ... ??

Oh wait ... you don't believe that.

All because it's YOUR RIGHT to (NOT) believe that.



I believe I'll have another beer. (and I did)

However, when I condemn other affairs, I do so from a position that is consistent.

Consistently WRONG.

But you knew that ... because I keep telling you that. So ... later you can't say you weren't told.

The protection of the individuals Natural Rights. Whether that's Apartheid, Stalinda, Uyghurs or other - my condemnation is not beholding to a popular vote.

I chose the protection the Vaccinations awarded me.

The solutions to one or two of those you've mentioned ... I've already attempted to address. I might have even mentioned the caliber of such solutions.

Some solutions ... really gets the attention of those you're gunning for. It works better than "A popular vote".

Trying to shout over loud speakers ... in the rain ... in the dark ... and (apparently) getting your car towed ... just doesn't cut it.


Funny that.


But not as funny as the one simple fact ... 99% percent of those protesting ANYWHERE in NZ on vaccination issues ... VOTED for the Current Prime Ministers Government ... in one form or another.



Do you not see the funny side to that ...

[R650R]

Those that made decisions (For or against the jabs) ... made their own choice of their own free will.

It’s not of your own free will when the ramifications to not get it mean a potential loss of earnings of 1-1.5 million during final years of employment plus the ramifications very on other business projects and investments.

It’s a bit like the free choices the mafia gives you.

“ Look here Antonio I’m not forcing you to make decision buyback it’s like this. You can either contribute to the familia or not. And maybe Bobby might’ve or might not have an accident with a few gallons of petrol out front of your store. It’s your own choice Antonio we trust you make your own free choice..... heyaaa cook never some fucking pizza ok and think about it... but don’t take to long ok”

[R650R]

Toot tooooooot tot toot toot....,

Coming to suburbia near you... they may be leaving g Wellington but we have protestors outside our local pub on way home lol

[mashman]

AND ... All the Lawyers in this country ... aren't willing to represent ANY of them in a court case of some/any kind. I wonder why that is ... ??



What "Duty of Care" do those protesting have ... to ANYBODY but themselves AND their families ... ???

Those that made decisions (For or against the jabs) ... made their own choice of their own free will. Those that got the jabs ... will have to live with it (Being vaccinated will give them a better chance). I hope the one's that didn't are feeling lucky. They might need some good luck.

A primary "duty of care" means ... that a business (Read Government here) has the primary responsibility for the health and safety of workers and others influenced by its work (read Population). All businesses/Government must ensure ... so far as is reasonably practicable, the health and safety of its workers (Population) and any other workers who are influenced or directed by the business (Beneficiaries .. ??) .

The idiots that thought 90% of the population vaccinated meant ... "Herd Immunity" would be declared. Then ... they wouldn't NEED to get a jab. Well ... they were wrong ... it didn't happen.

The "Duty of care" was by the Government ... To the population. And they provided FREE vaccinations to those that wanted it. That seems to include you.

Even early on ... the ramifications were spelt out if some chose not to get vaccinated. Even those IN employment were warned. So nobody can say they were NOT warned. I bet you got your jabs pretty early on in the process.



I know of a few too. I've made decisions in my life that ... although they were in MY (And my family's) best interest ... I wasn't happy about. But NEVER regretted it in the long term. I've made more than a few "I WANT" decisions too ... most of those didn't work out though. But it didn't stop me trying.

Good luck with your "I WANT" choices ... I hope it works for you. And your family.



I got the jabs ... I'm happy enough with that science.

Afraid ... nope.


Those protesters that are unvaccinated ... have more to fear than I have.

NZ is represented in the global case that no courts will hear.

They're not "I want" choices. They are, "there is another body of science choices.". I know you don't like that, but it is entirely true. There is another body of evidence that is not being considered and has been surpressed for at least 18 months.

Therefore, their "Duty of Care" is adhering to that evidence in the hope that it saves lives that needn't be lost, nor indeed lead us down roads that we were told that we wouldn't end up going down only to find ourselves in that very position today. Oh irony eh... but they didn't just throw their hands in the air and tell society to go fuck itself under threat of a pandemic for no scientific reasoning.

The unvaccinated are happy for the borders to open. Go ahead. Get it done. If they had any fear, they wouldn't be protesting against what the meda would have us believe is the entire country. Do it. Get Cinders to end the mandate and just open the fucking borders. The protestors will happily go home and isolate if required... just as they have before Covid when they've caught a nasty cold.

The same level of "Duty of Care" extends from both government and protestors depending on the evidence. So open the borders. We're good.

[pritch]

I haven't used this phrase in a while, but I think it's warranted here: That's some major cognitive dissonance.

You acknowledge they are copying a protest, but refuse to acknowledge they are copying the thing being protested.

Despite the signs.
Despite the messages.
Despite the words of those who support the protest.
Despite everything.



I mean first and foremost, there was never any moral justification for Mandates, regardless of whether COVID is in top gear or not.

However, according to The Science^tm Omicron is literally the Sniffles.

Less deadly than the seasonal Flu.
70 times less deadly than Delta.

The cognitive dissonances are with the grab bag of fuckwits at the protest. You are greatly overestimating their cognitive abilities. They saw a protest and decided they were having one too. Some of them are anti vax, some are anti mandate, some want to execute politicians, some want to execute journalists, some are just into a demo - any demo.

Again it would seem you've been reading nonsense. There are several things currently being circulated as scientific including "a Lancet article." None stand much scrutiny.

In Britain, the USA, and even Australia, impressive numbers of people are dying of your "sniffles".

[Stylo]

But they are restricting freedoms for not proving vaccinated status and they are issuing fines for non-compliance.

That's a fiat of Force and therefore is a form of Mandate.

Funny how we've heard the shouts from the protesters about 'Our fathers fought for our rights and freedom in WW2!' My Grandad was one of them . He went to WW2 because he was conscripted. A Mandate in other words. To not comply potentially meant you were off to Jail. He didn't want to go but, he had to. Bert was a pilot, He came home ok but only needed one shoe for the rest of his life.

The protesters at Parliament have no idea about freedom. Tow them out and stop their benefits. They are anti New Zealand. Facebook is not a bible.

[R650R]

Someone made a list of the issues so here’s a cut and paste. I may or may not agree or disagree with everything on the list. Feel free pigeons to come play chess on the board lol

“For the people who don't understand why people around the world have Convoyed to the Capital or are joining freedom protests, well here's why….

It’s for the family members banned from visiting loved ones in nursing homes.

It's for the people who couldn't attend funerals and bury their loved ones.

It’s for censorship on all social media platforms.

It’s for all the people too afraid to speak up in fear of being called conspiracy theorists.

It’s for the people who willingly got the J because they were told it would end the lockdowns and it didn’t.

It’s for the people who willingly got the J so they could open their business again, only to be told they can’t.

It's for all the people who can no longer buy homes because of housing unaffordability and unavailability.

It’s for the people who didn’t want to get J but were coerced to.

It’s for the people who don’t want to give up their freedom of choice.

It’s for the people who only want answers to the many questions that haven’t been answered.

It’s for the people told to be to afraid to hug their family and visit their friends.

It’s for the kids to go back to being kids and to stop having to live their lives revolving around politicians’ whims.

It’s for all the religious people who were told their faith “doesn’t count”.

It’s for all the families that lost a loved one to suicide.

It’s for all the people who took their own lives due to this entrapment.

Its for the mental health advocates that love and care but who aren't being supported and heard.

Its for our people too, especially our teenagers, who can't access the mental health services and counselling that they so much need.

It’s for all the thousands of nurses, doctors, police, emergency services of all kinds, teachers, early childhood workers & many other trade workers who have lost their job due to not wanting to have the J for their own personal beliefs.

It’s for the people who want their lives back.

For the restaurants to serve food to everyone.

For the bars to play music.

For the students to learn.

For the kids to be free.

For the people made homeless.

For people who want to work but are forced not to.

This is for those people.

This is for trying to silence honest and hardworking citizens.

This is for all the people told they can’t go to church.

This is for trying to steal local water assets via Three Waters Reform.

This is for trying to restrict our freedom of speech, our fundamental democratic right.

This is for trying to remove our religious freedoms through shaming & bullying.

This is for spending billions on advertising campaigns instead of using it to actually care for our sick & elderly. What a shame!

This is for the abuse taking place in our long term care facilities that have been swept under the rug for too long.

This is for the sufferers of adverse side effects being ignored & shamed.

This is for the lives that we lost to the J. We will never forget you nor will we stop fighting for the justice you deserve.

This is for trying to demonize good people.

This is for trying to create a two-tier society.

Never in my life have I ever seen the healthy punished and the sick untreated...Why have we made the cure worse then the problem itself?

This is for the 300,000 surgeries canceled because of the “health emergency”.
This is for the people that died waiting for their surgery.

This is for the people who died alone in the hospital without being able to hold the hands of their loved ones.

This is for everyone, even those that don't think they need it, it's for them and their children too.

This is for our future generations.

This is for the shattered relationships of families and friends, divided by the hysterical fear-mongering conducted by their government and media.

This is for the exhausted nurses. This is for the doctors that are threatened and silenced for speaking out.

This is for all the front line workers… delivery trucks, grocery store clerks & emergency service workers who are constantly working overtime.

This too is for our children, who we teach to stand strong, bold & firm. May they be able to stand tall once again and declare too that they have a dream.

But finally this is for everyone of us, may we all be one people again.

"Courage is infectious & so is Unity. "

Thank you to everyone from around the world for fighting for our human rights.

YOU ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE.

Parts copy and pasted unsure of original source 🙏❤️“

[Berries]

Gave me a laugh anyway.

[husaberg]

It’s for all the people too afraid to speak up in fear of being called conspiracy theorists.

You, conspiracy Theorists, will accept any form of evidence as long as it conforms to your worldview, ie confirmation bias whilst at the same time requesting impossibly high standards of Evidence for anything that contradicts your theories.
Conspiracy theorists are much more likely to adopt a conspiratorial position on any given issue.
ie If there was an allegation made against a group, I would bet that you would pick the side that was against that group or institution regardless of the quality of the evidence nearly all of the time.

[F5 Dave]

Gave me a laugh anyway.

I was literally the first person to ride around the Karori BMX track, although they seem to have extended it a little.

Good to see people helping other clubs out.

As for the rest, well no surprise. Entitled people often steal because they think they deserve it.

[Stylo]

Someone made a list of the issues so here’s a cut and paste. I may or may not agree or disagree with everything on the list. Feel free pigeons to come play chess on the board lol

“For the people who don't understand why people around the world have Convoyed to the Capital or are joining freedom protests, well here's why….

It’s for the family members banned from visiting loved ones in nursing homes.

It's for the people who couldn't attend funerals and bury their loved ones.

It’s for censorship on all social media platforms.

It’s for all the people too afraid to speak up in fear of being called conspiracy theorists.

It’s for the people who willingly got the J because they were told it would end the lockdowns and it didn’t.

It’s for the people who willingly got the J so they could open their business again, only to be told they can’t.

It's for all the people who can no longer buy homes because of housing unaffordability and unavailability.

It’s for the people who didn’t want to get J but were coerced to.

It’s for the people who don’t want to give up their freedom of choice.

It’s for the people who only want answers to the many questions that haven’t been answered.

It’s for the people told to be to afraid to hug their family and visit their friends.

It’s for the kids to go back to being kids and to stop having to live their lives revolving around politicians’ whims.

It’s for all the religious people who were told their faith “doesn’t count”.

It’s for all the families that lost a loved one to suicide.

It’s for all the people who took their own lives due to this entrapment.

Its for the mental health advocates that love and care but who aren't being supported and heard.

Its for our people too, especially our teenagers, who can't access the mental health services and counselling that they so much need.

It’s for all the thousands of nurses, doctors, police, emergency services of all kinds, teachers, early childhood workers & many other trade workers who have lost their job due to not wanting to have the J for their own personal beliefs.

It’s for the people who want their lives back.

For the restaurants to serve food to everyone.

For the bars to play music.

For the students to learn.

For the kids to be free.

For the people made homeless.

For people who want to work but are forced not to.

This is for those people.

This is for trying to silence honest and hardworking citizens.

This is for all the people told they can’t go to church.

This is for trying to steal local water assets via Three Waters Reform.

This is for trying to restrict our freedom of speech, our fundamental democratic right.

This is for trying to remove our religious freedoms through shaming & bullying.

This is for spending billions on advertising campaigns instead of using it to actually care for our sick & elderly. What a shame!

This is for the abuse taking place in our long term care facilities that have been swept under the rug for too long.

This is for the sufferers of adverse side effects being ignored & shamed.

This is for the lives that we lost to the J. We will never forget you nor will we stop fighting for the justice you deserve.

This is for trying to demonize good people.

This is for trying to create a two-tier society.

Never in my life have I ever seen the healthy punished and the sick untreated...Why have we made the cure worse then the problem itself?

This is for the 300,000 surgeries canceled because of the “health emergency”.
This is for the people that died waiting for their surgery.

This is for the people who died alone in the hospital without being able to hold the hands of their loved ones.

This is for everyone, even those that don't think they need it, it's for them and their children too.

This is for our future generations.

This is for the shattered relationships of families and friends, divided by the hysterical fear-mongering conducted by their government and media.

This is for the exhausted nurses. This is for the doctors that are threatened and silenced for speaking out.

This is for all the front line workers… delivery trucks, grocery store clerks & emergency service workers who are constantly working overtime.

This too is for our children, who we teach to stand strong, bold & firm. May they be able to stand tall once again and declare too that they have a dream.

But finally this is for everyone of us, may we all be one people again.

"Courage is infectious & so is Unity. "

Thank you to everyone from around the world for fighting for our human rights.

YOU ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE.

Parts copy and pasted unsure of original source ��❤️“

Are you smoking weed again R650R ? We already are 'One New Zealand' . Apart from the selfish Alt right facebook wankers like yourself and the other fuckwit gypsys overstaying at parliament. Best pack your tent up you fucking idiot. Your car is about to get towed away from the Beehive. Move to another country please. We don't want you here. Fuck off. Tell your fellow protesters the same. You're not a New Zealander. You're a traitor. and so are they.

[FJRider]

NZ is represented in the global case that no courts will hear.

Until the dust settles on the entire Covid issue ... especially ... in regard to "Who CAUSED it" ... NO "Global" court will be likely to.

Bugger ... eh .. !!!

They're not "I want" choices. They are, "there is another body of science choices.". I know you don't like that, but it is entirely true. There is another body of evidence that is not being considered and has been surpressed for at least 18 months.

In the dictionary ... they are described as ... THEORIES.

Some groups call it alternate medicine. With theories. (As yet unproven) ... and with no funding from OUR Government available. BUT ... the basic DEMAND from ANY of the protest group ... is simply they don't want a jab. ANY jab.

Therefore, their "Duty of Care" is adhering to that evidence in the hope that it saves lives that needn't be lost, nor indeed lead us down roads that we were told that we wouldn't end up going down only to find ourselves in that very position today. Oh irony eh... but they didn't just throw their hands in the air and tell society to go fuck itself under threat of a pandemic for no scientific reasoning.

As I said in the previous post ... the only duty of care they see is to themselves. They don't want a jab. ANY jab. And the reality they see in their life is ... they are a minority group ... and life is difficult for minority groups (Who knew). Those of them that want their freedoms ... should just get the jab.

Like YOU did.

The unvaccinated are happy for the borders to open. Go ahead. Get it done.

I'm not. There is plenty of Covid about ... brought in by New Zealander's coming back. By supposedly negative tested Kiwi people.

And you want open slather entry at the border. Get real.

Those unvaccinated would be SERIOUSLY at risk of catching covid then.

If they had any fear, they wouldn't be protesting against what the meda would have us believe is the entire country. Do it. Get Cinders to end the mandate and just open the fucking borders. The protestors will happily go home and isolate if required... just as they have before Covid when they've caught a nasty cold.

They haven't shown ANY compulsion to follow any of the rules so far ... why should they start now.

The same level of "Duty of Care" extends from both government and protestors depending on the evidence. So open the borders. We're good.

90% of NZ vaccinated. More getting the jab each day.

Somebody better come up with some "Evidence" soon.

Solid Medical Advice. With evidence of approved testing.

Theories need not be forwarded.

[Kickaha]

It’s for all the families that lost a loved one to suicide.

It’s for all the people who took their own lives due to this entrapment.

Just on those two points, suicide rates in NZ have dropped while this has gone on and the same has happened in some places overseas as well

[mashman]

Until the dust settles on the entire Covid issue ... especially ... in regard to "Who CAUSED it" ... NO "Global" court will be likely to.

Bugger ... eh .. !!!



In the dictionary ... they are described as ... THEORIES.

Some groups call it alternate medicine. With theories. (As yet unproven) ... and with no funding from OUR Government available. BUT ... the basic DEMAND from ANY of the protest group ... is simply they don't want a jab. ANY jab.



As I said in the previous post ... the only duty of care they see is to themselves. They don't want a jab. ANY jab. And the reality they see in their life is ... they are a minority group ... and life is difficult for minority groups (Who knew). Those of them that want their freedoms ... should just get the jab.

Like YOU did.



I'm not. There is plenty of Covid about ... brought in by New Zealander's coming back. By supposedly negative tested Kiwi people.

And you want open slather entry at the border. Get real.

Those unvaccinated would be SERIOUSLY at risk of catching covid then.



They haven't shown ANY compulsion to follow any of the rules so far ... why should they start now.



90% of NZ vaccinated. More getting the jab each day.

Somebody better come up with some "Evidence" soon.

Solid Medical Advice. With evidence of approved testing.

Theories need not be forwarded.

The dust doesn't settle until the science of both parties is confirmed. That's what courts are for. Almost as if someone wants it that way for people to argue over

All science is theoretically correct. Your argument is moot. . By all means remove the possibility that the protestors could possibly be serving anyone other than themselves with regards to "Duty of Care", you seem not to be able to let go of that one, but that ain't the hearts and thoughts of the people I know who went. They have seen the other science and look to have put more stock in it.

As for alternatives. They are proven, because they have been used in exceptionally large trials in a couple of provinces in India, also at a few practices in the US, some practices in Italy, Japan and likely far more these days given just ow successful its use has been. There in no unproven there, just a shitload of misinformation from start to finish. Put it this way, if the Ivermectin therapies had been unsuccessful, anyone using it would have been jailed for killing/maiming/making people slightly woozy... and yet they're all still practicing and prescribing as they have deemed fit through experimentation using their decades of experience and training.

v's

Reality does not match Testing.

The protestors have more than just a point. They have science on their side. A science that no one will hear ..... and you don;t think there's anything dodgy about that?