Beehive occupation.

[TheDemonLord]

The cognitive dissonances are with the grab bag of fuckwits at the protest. You are greatly overestimating their cognitive abilities. They saw a protest and decided they were having one too.

Yep, And for the same reasons. That's the bit you are deliberately ignoring.

Some of them are anti vax, some are anti mandate

Both of those, however, want the right to choose. That's the bit you are deliberately ignoring.

some want to execute politicians, some want to execute journalists

Who doesn't....

I've seen these reports, I think the charitable interpretation of these claims would be 'Red Herring' and the uncharitable interpretation would be something akin to the burning of the Reichstag.

Again it would seem you've been reading nonsense. There are several things currently being circulated as scientific including "a Lancet article." None stand much scrutiny.

In Britain, the USA, and even Australia, impressive numbers of people are dying of your "sniffles".

Dying Of or Dying With? Those are two very different scenarios. The numbers Dying Of Omicron are equivalent to the numbers of people who die of the seasonal flu. Yes, it's a 'deadly' disease, so is the Flu - we don't have a national panic each time Flu season comes round.

[Berries]

The protestors have more than just a point. They have science on their side. A science that no one will hear

Not sure many people will take scientific advice from a group who are literally standing in their own shit.

[pete376403]

Dying Of or Dying With? Those are two very different scenarios. The numbers Dying Of Omicron are equivalent to the numbers of people who die of the seasonal flu. Yes, it's a 'deadly' disease, so is the Flu - we don't have a national panic each time Flu season comes round.

Not exactly " the sniffles" as you have described it. The longer Omicron is out of control, the greater the chance it may evolve into another, even more dangerous variant.

"In the US, Omicron is claiming an average of 2,200 lives each day – higher than the Delta variant, which peaked at a seven-day average of 2,078 in September last year, according to Reuters analysis."

Omicron is less severe but ‘not mild’
“We have increasing information that Omicron is less severe than Delta, but it is still a dangerous virus,” says the World Health Organization’s Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, in a recent video explaining the impact of the variant.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...toll-severity/

[nerrrd]

Someone made a list of the issues so hereÂ’s a cut and paste. I may or may not agree or disagree with everything on the list. Feel free pigeons to come play chess on the board lol

“For the people who don't understand why people around the world have Convoyed to the Capital or are joining freedom protests, well here's why….

...Parts copy and pasted unsure of original source ���“

That's quite a narrative you've built for yourselves there.

Nobody forced me to get vaccinated, it was the sensible thing to do given the circumstances and the recommendations of the vast majority of health professionals.

As the circumstances have changed, the advice has changed. In another 6 months it will have changed again. Obviously.

People are getting sick of putting up with the restrictions, fair enough. Some have paid a terrible price for them, both financially and personally, and deserve sympathy and compensation. The government and public service can always do better, and should be more flexible and open to advice. The government might lose the next election over it. If they do we'll get a slightly different government that will largely do exactly the same thing (including making mistakes) and so on and so on.

Or the internet will sponsor a worldwide existential crisis that undermines confidence in existing public and political institutions to the point where civilisation collapses.

Because...

[TheDemonLord]

Not exactly " the sniffles" as you have described it. The longer Omicron is out of control, the greater the chance it may evolve into another, even more dangerous variant.

Unlikely. Whilst Viruses can mutate to be more deadly, the usual trend is that they get milder over time. And there's an easy thought experiment that backs this up: Who spreads more disease? The person that drops dead or the person that lives to spread it far and wide?

"In the US, Omicron is claiming an average of 2,200 lives each day – higher than the Delta variant, which peaked at a seven-day average of 2,078 in September last year, according to Reuters analysis."

The devil is in the detail. Half of those are over 75 (something something Flu season something) and the other half are either unvaccinated (their choice) or have underlying health issues.

Remember what I said about Dying Of vs Dying with?

And let's just take a moment to remind ourselves what Flu season looks like in the US (so we've got a control to compare to) - It's generally considered October through to May, with February being the high point and deaths around 30,000-50,000

So, some quick maths: that's about 8,333 deaths per month (for 50,000 dead) - divide that by 4, that's ~2,000 a week assuming an equal distribution across the months. But we know that it's a Bell curve, so it's more likely that in Dec/Jan/Feb (the traditional peaks) we are probably looking at closer to 4,000 dead per week due to Flu.

If we take the lower number of 30,000 for the Season - that's 5,000 per month, ~1,250 per week for an even distribution but again, bell curve - probably nearer 2,500 per week at the peak.

And does that Number look suspiciously similar to another number? One that you quoted? To say it's *totally* more deadly than the Flu?

I stand by both The Science^tm and The Data^tm That Omicron is the Sniffles.

Omicron is less severe but ‘not mild’
“We have increasing information that Omicron is less severe than Delta, but it is still a dangerous virus,” says the World Health Organization’s Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, in a recent video explaining the impact of the variant.

- Less Severe
- Still a dangerous Virus

So..... Like the Flu then?

[mashman]

Not sure many people will take scientific advice from a group who are literally standing in their own shit.

Not sure many people would ask them for scientific advice outwith a link to the information they're basing their decision on.

[R650R]

That's quite a narrative you've built for yourselves there.

Nobody forced me to get vaccinated, it was the sensible thing to do given the circumstances and the recommendations of the vast majority of health professionals.

As the circumstances have changed, the advice has changed. In another 6 months it will have changed again. Obviously.

People are getting sick of putting up with the restrictions, fair enough. Some have paid a terrible price for them, both financially and personally, and deserve sympathy and compensation. The government and public service can always do better, and should be more flexible and open to advice. The government might lose the next election over it. If they do we'll get a slightly different government that will largely do exactly the same thing (including making mistakes) and so on and so on.

Or the internet will sponsor a worldwide existential crisis that undermines confidence in existing public and political institutions to the point where civilisation collapses.

Because...

Yes I agree with all that....

Your last paragraph is actually one of the more entertaining conspiracies out there. Something along the lines of the vaccines failing to do what they say or the lack of promises freedoms as happening here leading to a breakdown of society and civil war. Now that will be right up the elites alley as a good ol fashioned civil war and collapse of supply chains will cull the world population more than any deadly virus....
Then people will start understanding what they really meant about sustainability....

[FJRider]

The dust doesn't settle until the science of both parties is confirmed. That's what courts are for. Almost as if someone wants it that way for people to argue over

So ... the science of (Both .. ??) groups haven't been proven yet .. ??

Let me know how your court case goes .. I await the results with baited breath. Until then ... your claims are unfounded.

All science is theoretically correct. Your argument is moot. .

No ... there are just scientific theories ... some of which actually are proven ... or at least .. the most likely to work. Proving in a Court of Law ... that the (as yet unproven) theory you have ... might/should work ... would indeed be difficult to prove IN a court of law.

The "Moot Point" ... is the chance/ability of getting the case into a court of law.

But YOU know all that ... don't you.

By all means remove the possibility that the protestors could possibly be serving anyone other than themselves with regards to "Duty of Care"

Why would I do that .. ?? Do you think they ALL care about everybody else ... its all about Everybody else's interests ... and not just theirs ... ??

REALLY ... ??

CAN you really believe that ...

Or ... do they just care about the last unvaccinated 10% ... that's themselves ... right .. ??

you seem not to be able to let go of that one, but that ain't the hearts and thoughts of the people I know who went. They have seen the other science and look to have put more stock in it.

And you met everyone ?? ... and KNOW everyone ??... and if your answer is NO to those two questions ... that is the moot point ... and the point I'm making.

As for alternatives. They are proven, because they have been used in exceptionally large trials in a couple of provinces in India

This isn't India. OR ... the USA. Not even Italy or Japan. Compare the death rates in those countries ... and with the per head of the population being infected. Do you have those figures .. ??

[QUOTE=mashman;1131197142]There in no unproven there, just a shitload of misinformation from start to finish.

put it this way, if the Ivermectin therapies had been unsuccessful, anyone using it would have been jailed for killing/maiming/making people slightly woozy... and yet they're all still practicing and prescribing as they have deemed fit through experimentation using their decades of experience and training.

Medsafe and the Ministry of Health strongly recommend that ivermectin is not used to prevent or treat COVID-19.

v's

Reality does not match Testing.

Reality doesn't often feature in some peoples minds.

The "I WANT" group especially.

Did I mention the low death toll from Covid that NZ has ... compared to those countries you mentioned above .. ??

The protestors have more than just a point. They have science on their side. A science that no one will hear ..... and you don;t think there's anything dodgy about that?

In case you haven't noticed ... they aren't the ones making those decisions. Why IS that ... ??

[FJRider]

It’s not of your own free will when the ramifications to not get it mean a potential loss of earnings of 1-1.5 million during final years of employment plus the ramifications very on other business projects and investments.

It’s a bit like the free choices the mafia gives you.

“ Look here Antonio I’m not forcing you to make decision buyback it’s like this. You can either contribute to the familia or not. And maybe Bobby might’ve or might not have an accident with a few gallons of petrol out front of your store. It’s your own choice Antonio we trust you make your own free choice..... heyaaa cook never some fucking pizza ok and think about it... but don’t take to long ok”

You've Edited it a bit ... since I first read it.

If it's 1-1.5 million YOU are missing out on ... I am sorry to hear that. But you will not be the only one. Or the last one to lose money ...

I've been on full pay since day one of Covid. Worked all the way through. Such is life in essential industries ...


Your Mafia bit ... is actually closer to reality than some of your other posts I've read ...

[Stylo]

Unlikely. Whilst Viruses can mutate to be more deadly, the usual trend is that they get milder over time. And there's an easy thought experiment that backs this up: Who spreads more disease? The person that drops dead or the person that lives to spread it far and wide?



The devil is in the detail. Half of those are over 75 (something something Flu season something) and the other half are either unvaccinated (their choice) or have underlying health issues.

Remember what I said about Dying Of vs Dying with?

And let's just take a moment to remind ourselves what Flu season looks like in the US (so we've got a control to compare to) - It's generally considered October through to May, with February being the high point and deaths around 30,000-50,000

So, some quick maths: that's about 8,333 deaths per month (for 50,000 dead) - divide that by 4, that's ~2,000 a week assuming an equal distribution across the months. But we know that it's a Bell curve, so it's more likely that in Dec/Jan/Feb (the traditional peaks) we are probably looking at closer to 4,000 dead per week due to Flu.

If we take the lower number of 30,000 for the Season - that's 5,000 per month, ~1,250 per week for an even distribution but again, bell curve - probably nearer 2,500 per week at the peak.

And does that Number look suspiciously similar to another number? One that you quoted? To say it's *totally* more deadly than the Flu?

I stand by both The Science^tm and The Data^tm That Omicron is the Sniffles.



- Less Severe
- Still a dangerous Virus

So..... Like the Flu then?

Post your Factual scientific evidence to back your statement please. The 'Science' and the 'Data' are both sourced from Facebook.

Designed for people like you to believe them. Can't think for yourself ? Facebook, first call.

I don't have a lot of time for stupid people.

[FJRider]

Yep, And for the same reasons. That's the bit you are deliberately ignoring.

Yep ... the same STUPID reasons.

Both of those, however, want the right to choose. That's the bit you are deliberately ignoring.

90% of the population felt the need to get vaccinated (granted for some ... not their first choice) ... BUT ... because they knew some things weren't an option they could live and still work with.

Life isn't always about YOUR choices. Those that stuck their arm out made a choice. THEIR choice. Those that said NO to the jab have my respect. I don't agree with them though ...

Reality can be a real bitch.

Who doesn't....

The one's that would replace them are the one's to fear.

I've seen these reports, I think the charitable interpretation of these claims would be 'Red Herring' and the uncharitable interpretation would be something akin to the burning of the Reichstag.

Was that burning ... Revenge OR Justice ... ??

Journalists seldom report the truth. Just the version as they see it. If they are paid to report ... who's version will they give .. ??

Who was paying those reporters in Berlin in 1945 ... ??

Dying Of or Dying With? Those are two very different scenarios.

Well they certainly didn't commit suicide.

Their deaths are listed as being Covid related deaths. Whats different ... apart from people that didn't need to die ... are listed as dieing from Covid related viruses.

The numbers Dying Of Omicron are equivalent to the numbers of people who die of the seasonal flu. Yes, it's a 'deadly' disease, so is the Flu - we don't have a national panic each time Flu season comes round.

Get your flu shots ... the fat useless fucks will be the first to die this coming winter ... the winter of discontent ...

[husaberg]

The dust doesn't settle until the science of both parties is confirmed. That's what courts are for. Almost as if someone wants it that way for people to argue over

All science is theoretically correct. Your argument is moot. . By all means remove the possibility that the protestors could possibly be serving anyone other than themselves with regards to "Duty of Care", you seem not to be able to let go of that one, but that ain't the hearts and thoughts of the people I know who went. They have seen the other science and look to have put more stock in it.

As for alternatives. They are proven, because they have been used in exceptionally large trials in a couple of provinces in India, also at a few practices in the US, some practices in Italy, Japan and likely far more these days given just ow successful its use has been. There in no unproven there, just a shitload of misinformation from start to finish. Put it this way, if the Ivermectin therapies had been unsuccessful, anyone using it would have been jailed for killing/maiming/making people slightly woozy... and yet they're all still practicing and prescribing as they have deemed fit through experimentation using their decades of experience and training.

v's

Reality does not match Testing.

The protestors have more than just a point. They have science on their side. A science that no one will hear ..... and you don;t think there's anything dodgy about that?

Your post has zero credible scientific backing.
Willingly spreading false information about disease or cure should result in your expulsion from social media and a fine.

It’s for all the people too afraid to speak up in fear of being called conspiracy theorists.

You conspiracy Theorists, will accept any form of evidence as long as it conforms to your worldview, ie confirmation bias whilst at the same time requesting impossibly high standards of Evidence for anything that contradicts your theories.
Conspiracy theorists are much more likely to adopt a conspiratorial position on any given issue.
ie If there was an allegation made against a group, I would bet that you would pick the side that was against that group or institution regardless of the quality of the evidence nearly all of the time.

[mashman]

So ... the science of (Both .. ??) groups haven't been proven yet .. ??

But neither are unproven, they are both proven, that is the point. The court bit is required because some idiots are screaming for a mandate despite what has been proven to the contrary.

The vaccine is shit and does not mirror testing. Proven. Not the basis for mandate.
Ivermectin et al have been proven to do what the vaccine can't. Proven. Again, not the basis for mandate.

No court of law required outwith forcing mandate. The science has proven itself on both counts.

As for the rest, go play tdl with tdl.

[husaberg]

But neither are unproven, they are both proven, that is the point. The court bit is required because some idiots are screaming for a mandate despite what has been proven to the contrary.

The vaccine is shit and does not mirror testing. Proven. Not the basis for mandate.
Ivermectin et al have been proven to do what the vaccine can't. Proven. Again, not the basis for mandate.

No court of law required outwith forcing mandate. The science has proven itself on both counts.

As for the rest, go play tdl with tdl.

So where is your credible supporting data
One would think if it existed, you would post it....

[onearmedbandit]

https://www.reddit.com/link/sta7yo/v...tent=t3_sta7yo