Beehive occupation.

[husaberg]

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Apparently Mexico is very popular.... maybe being able to make your own choices without interference from nanny state is a recipe for success after all, even for those who might need help. It’s time we took a hard look at how we run our society here.

Maybe you should move to Mexico you clearly don't like it here. You could drive a truck to deliver drugs for the cartels.

[F5 Dave]

Hell, we'll all chip in if you fuck off.

[R650R]

So I watched and FFWD through a bit of the new protest march today. Of note was during the down with labour/greens rant you say labour I say liars chants etc; they included ACT and said it in tone almost like a tobacco chewer spitting in bucket.
They didnÂ’t bag National though maybe they wildly dream of collation partner for new party.
Anyway all a bit odd or perhaps not.
Of note was the presence of Anti Fascist (antifa) in the anti protest group supporting govt....
The best thing though is that nothing really happened....

Despite the govt and media behaving like it was going to be an Arab spring style colour revolution with more bonfires nothing happened. Perhaps we have a proper democracy after all if the govt fears the people more than people fear the govt.

On way home from work stuck at traffic lights a lone protester who obviously couldn’t make Wellington stood holding a sign. He was getting lots of friendly support toots just like a nurses or firemen strike might get. I think come election time Aderns mob is going to face most humiliating defeat in NZ electoral history. From a “ mandate to govern” to a clear eviction notice.

A final note reporters in their pro govt bias have made fun of protestors broken messsge. Well yes they have no one clear message but one thing is clear. Lots of people are unhappy about pretty much every policy this govt has come up with.

[pete376403]

Wasnt so much of a protest as a Tamaki "another-new-party" announcement. Must be hoping for more than the 14000 votes they got last time. Also 2000 people (at the protest) is not "lots". I think we had more for the Bikoi

"...I think come election time Aderns mob is going to face most humiliating defeat in NZ electoral history" Given the accuracy of your previous predictions I reckon Labour will be thrilled

[Dadpole]

Well yes they have no one clear message but one thing is clear. Lots of morons are unhappy about pretty much any policy any govt has come up with.

Fixed it for you.

[TheDemonLord]

Fixed it for you.

Well, I'll admit I laughed - however on a serious note - if you look at all the various groups and all their various grievances and look at the meta-issue, it really comes down to people are angry about 2 key things:

1: The Government infringing on individual liberties.
2: The Government treating people differently based on protected characteristics.

There's some other stuff as well, I see a lot of unhappiness around 3 waters - and that can be described as Nationalizing locally owned assets - and when we put all three together, the picture becomes a lot clearer:

Socialists gonna Socialism.

[MD]

The Authorities need to identify and apprehend the person/s who tried to throw eggs at Tamaki and give them some training to help improve their aim next time.

[husaberg]

The Authorities need to identify and apprehend the person/s who tried to throw eggs at Tamaki and give them some rocks

Edited it .....

[pritch]

The turnout was unimpressive. It was mainly a publicity stunt for Tamaki, hopefully the low numbers will convince him that nobody gives a fuck about his new party.
I wouldn't bet on it though.

[Laava]

The LuxonTamaki party? The Tamaban?

[jellywrestler]

The turnout was unimpressive. It was mainly a publicity stunt for Tamaki, hopefully the low numbers will convince him that nobody gives a fuck about his new party.
I wouldn't bet on it though.

didn't he get the message from his million man march a few weeks ago that was a few hundred?

[Grumph]

There's some other stuff as well, I see a lot of unhappiness around 3 waters - and that can be described as Nationalizing locally owned assets - and when we put all three together, the picture becomes a lot clearer:

I don't usually quote you - because you talk shit.

In this case 3 waters could be the saving of some areas of the country. Where we used to live - rural Selwyn - there was and still is a flooding problem and a water supply problem. Both are fixable with the application of money. Selwyn is one of if not the richest districts in NZ - but the money gets spent on Rolleston not the rural side of the place. I see 3 waters as a levelling of the playing field - where every location has an equal opportunity to have working services.

[TheDemonLord]

I don't usually quote you - because you talk shit.

In this case 3 waters could be the saving of some areas of the country. Where we used to live - rural Selwyn - there was and still is a flooding problem and a water supply problem. Both are fixable with the application of money. Selwyn is one of if not the richest districts in NZ - but the money gets spent on Rolleston not the rural side of the place. I see 3 waters as a levelling of the playing field - where every location has an equal opportunity to have working services.

That's been the claim of every single nationalized/socialized system.

And the history of the efficiency of such systems is long, storied and full of failures with very few successes.

Case in point - how's it working for NZ's roads? I'm seeing a myriad of Stuff articles from various regions complaining about 3rd world roads.
Or KiwiRail?
Or Telecom?

The theory is great, the reality is wildly different - the reality is that everyone will get the same worse service.

However, the centralization of Assets and Governance leads to a different problem - consider your location of Selwyn - you have a problem, currently in your district, your voice is 1/65,000 - which if we factor in that approx 25% of them won't be eligible to vote - so call it 50,000 people - so any issue that affects you is 1/50,000 of the vote.

Now run the same details with it being nationalized 1 out of 5 Million which again factoring in voting age, it's 1 in 3.75 million.

Here's the question - which is going to be easier to make your voice heard? 1 in 50,000 or 1 in 3,750,000? Your vote matters 75 times more to your local council than it does to a national election.

[pete376403]

That's been the claim of every single nationalized/socialized system.

And the history of the efficiency of such systems is long, storied and full of failures with very few successes.

Case in point - how's it working for NZ's roads? I'm seeing a myriad of Stuff articles from various regions complaining about 3rd world roads.
Or KiwiRail?
Or Telecom?

The theory is great, the reality is wildly different - the reality is that everyone will get the same worse service.

However, the centralization of Assets and Governance leads to a different problem - consider your location of Selwyn - you have a problem, currently in your district, your voice is 1/65,000 - which if we factor in that approx 25% of them won't be eligible to vote - so call it 50,000 people - so any issue that affects you is 1/50,000 of the vote.

Now run the same details with it being nationalized 1 out of 5 Million which again factoring in voting age, it's 1 in 3.75 million.

Here's the question - which is going to be easier to make your voice heard? 1 in 50,000 or 1 in 3,750,000? Your vote matters 75 times more to your local council than it does to a national election.

Because privatisation of water is always so much better (especially for the management of these companies)

https://news.sky.com/story/huge-incr...veals-12677730
https://www.independent.co.uk/climat...-b2147947.html

[Grumph]

Case in point - how's it working for NZ's roads? I'm seeing a myriad of Stuff articles from various regions complaining about 3rd world roads.


Here's the question - which is going to be easier to make your voice heard? 1 in 50,000 or 1 in 3,750,000? Your vote matters 75 times more to your local council than it does to a national election.

First point, roads. Lowest tender gets the maintenance contract. At least in the SI, only one firm can do a decent job - and in Selwyn they only get called in after the regular contractor's work has failed - twice. If the contracts were performance based the roads would be better.

Second point - being heard. Selwyn has just cut our old ward from 2 councillors to one. Rolleston gets another. Chance of being heard at the Council table just took a 50% cut. It's a bloody big ward too.