Putin

[pritch]

Clever stuff.

[Viking01]

Some snipping. Not that I don't agree with you, just wanted to reply to one point.

Was referring to any time after WWII. So; Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, East Germany, Poland, Romania and Yugoslavia.

Most have got out from under the thumb as soon as they could.

But looking at this further, there were the ones after WWI: Finland, Russian Poland, Estonia, Livonia, Courland (now part of Latvia), Lithuania, Ukraine, and Bessarabia.

https://factsanddetails.com/russia/

Afternoon.

Thanks for the list of countries that you had in mind, and for the link included in the last post.

1. Post WW1 - Pre WW2 : The period immediately post 1918 was very busy with many boundaries changing due to (i) Versailles Treaty carve-up (ii) the carve-up of central and eastern Europe in the 1930's. [ by Poland, Germany, etc ]

You can obviously use your link to find the relevant dates when relevant boundary changes occurred.

2. Post WW2 : All the the countries you listed (apart from the former Yugoslavia) ended up under Russian Communist control (inside the Iron Curtain).

Two names not mentioned were Italy and Greece. While they could well have been absorbed under the socialist banner at the end of WW2, some action taken by the US and UK in the immediate post-war period avoided that occurring. The CIA may (or may not) have been involved.

Again, you can use your link to find all the relevant dates when they shifted from under Communist control. Two other sources that might be of interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...resent)#Europe
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/240...opean-history/

3. Yugoslavia: This was an exception, in that Tito managed to "weld together" the former areas (Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro) into a "socialist" union formerly known as Yugoslavia (which was not under Russian control):

https://www.icty.org/en/about/what-former-yugoslavia

Which then came apart a few years after the death of Tito (1980), and with more than a little assistance from the West (and NATO) over the period 1991-1996.

4. USSR: I'll just restrict comment to the fact that when the USSR formerly ceased to exist in 1991, the boundaries of almost all the relevant states within it were then defined within documents then created by the Communist Party (effectively, it defined their boundaries - including the new Russian Federation -and then cut them adrift).

[Laava]

Lols, is a bit pathetic tho...if it was more like 10 million, it might get a result?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...?ocid=msedgntp

[R650R]

Fluff news posted an opinion piece from a USA NGO via economist like it was some kind of impartial
article.....

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/3...urage-want-war

But he mentions the Russian “Elite”.... thought that was a conspiracy and only elected officials ran govts??????

And a Freudian slip near end explains why Putin had to act before Russia got “modernised”....

“A feisty, resurgent Russia is a pioneering force behind the arrival of this new order, along with a rising China. Given the state of affairs in Western countries, the pair contend, it's only natural that they seek to contain Russia and to install pro-Western regimes in former Soviet republics. The West’s ultimate goal of a colour revolution in Russia itself would lead to the country’s conclusive collapse.

Washington sees unfinished business in Russia’s persistence and success, according to Putin’s entourage. As America’s power wanes, its methods are becoming more aggressive. This is why the West cannot be trusted. The best way to ensure the safety of Russia’s existing political regime and to advance its national interests is to keep America off balance.”

[R650R]

No doubt soon we will hear of citizen casualties.... and maybe atrocities

Bit doesn’t the dishing out of guns to those who remain makevthem
Soldiers????

I wonder if Jacinda would give us guns if China comes or would she just tell us to start planting rice and smile....

[Viking01]

Fluff news posted an opinion piece from a USA NGO via economist like it was some kind of impartial
article.....

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/3...urage-want-war

”

The article was created and distributed by the Carnegie Institute (in Moscow). Which probably gives you some indication of the specific interest group being represented in this instance.

[R650R]

Some great insight and analysis here...

[TheDemonLord]

Some great insight and analysis here...

Honestly, the second Russia sees a Tomahawk cruise missile crossing it's borders, it's WW3.

We don't know (although the US swears they don't) if there are still any Nuclear tipped Tomahawks - but would Russia take the chance?

So I can't agree with the Indian General's assessment.

Cyber War - Maybe, but launching Cruise Missiles against Russia - I'd like not to see the sun at 1 am...

[husaberg]

Fluff news posted an opinion piece from a USA NGO via economist like it was some kind of impartial
article.....

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/3...urage-want-war

But he mentions the Russian “Elite”.... thought that was a conspiracy and only elected officials ran govts??????

And a Freudian slip near end explains why Putin had to act before Russia got “modernised”....

“A feisty, resurgent Russia is a pioneering force behind the arrival of this new order, along with a rising China. Given the state of affairs in Western countries, the pair contend, it's only natural that they seek to contain Russia and to install pro-Western regimes in former Soviet republics. The West’s ultimate goal of a colour revolution in Russia itself would lead to the country’s conclusive collapse.

Washington sees unfinished business in Russia’s persistence and success, according to Putin’s entourage. As America’s power wanes, its methods are becoming more aggressive. This is why the West cannot be trusted. The best way to ensure the safety of Russia’s existing political regime and to advance its national interests is to keep America off balance.”

why is it that Russia is ranked one of the most corrupt countries in the world?
do you think there elections are fair open and honest?
or does reality not fit with your latest troll

[R650R]

Honestly, the second Russia sees a Tomahawk cruise missile crossing it's borders, it's WW3.

We don't know (although the US swears they don't) if there are still any Nuclear tipped Tomahawks - but would Russia take the chance?

So I can't agree with the Indian General's assessment.

Cyber War - Maybe, but launching Cruise Missiles against Russia - I'd like not to see the sun at 1 am...

Valid point about Tomohawks but I think they are smart enough for limited brief conventional exchange. I liked his point about Western Europe being too broke finamcially and spiritually that they are not ready for a fight.

Something interesting.... Russia produces 29% of worlds grain ( not sure on food/vodka ratio) and Ukraine 17%... So 50% of worlds food supply is now at the mercy of this outcome... Don’t expect to see you fav flavour chips or pizza in supermarket any time soon. This could be the harvest of despair all over again never mind a few hundred thousand dead in a war, and commies sure love to starve people to death...

[nerrrd]

This makes about as much sense as anything else I’ve read about why Putin thought invading Ukraine was a good idea.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe...is-on-steroids

[george formby]

Reports of a nuclear power station, a really big one, being shelled and on fire are hitting the press. Scant detail..

[R650R]

Reports of a nuclear power station, a really big one, being shelled and on fire are hitting the press. Scant detail..

That could provide good cover for use of tactical nukes...

Wouldn’t take much for conscripts on either side to not realise sensitive areas in firezones....
Or do it and blame Russia.....

In any case Putin did warn you will see things you’ve never seen before....

Meanwhile xi Jing pen is watching weak response and prob lining up Taiwan....

[mashman]

Reports of a nuclear power station, a really big one, being shelled and on fire are hitting the press. Scant detail..

Thankfully they're only trying to kill the soldiers. I guess if they'd have wanted the disaster instead Putin would parked a missile on it.

[Stylo]

Only way to get an accurate response :P



Ah yes, the Party in Power.

The party and president that some might say allowed this to happen.

On the united Europe part, I can definitely see that what has happened has Galvanized parts of Europe. I've seen some interesting things regarding Firearms law in Europe - suddenly countries are getting awfully Second Amendment-esque.

The two biggest factors for me would be Biden being in the hot seat (but clearly not in charge) and the absolute failure in Afghanistan. Add in the increasing emphasis on Woke nonsense (remember, as Ex-KGB, Putin will be well aware of the use of Marxism and Marxist ideals to destabilize a country), He sees his biggest Adversary (The US) as not being a serious threat anymore.

The Party and President did'nt 'allow' this to happen . Putin ordered it . One person. Putin. With his misguided dream of reinstalling the Iron Curtain.

Most countries with President's have advisors surrounding their leader. (And I'm not a Biden fan.)

Putin has 'yes men' surrounding him only, no advisors, Yes men. Putin's invasion of Ukraine is akin to Genocide.

And this crazed madman has only just started.

My guess for man of the year on magazines like Time magazine this year will be Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Ten times more clever, and many times stronger and braver than the brain damaged idiot that Putin is.


He needs to be stopped. He needs to be shot. Forthwith.