Geriatric hoon
Apparently there are a few thousand international volunteers have arrived in Ukraine ot assist. Trained they may be useful, untrained they'd be a liability. So many Canadians have arrived that they have been organised into their own battalion. That seemed a bit random until I remembered that a lot of Ukranians settled in Canada, so there will be many Canadians with strong family links.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Canadians going to war?Originally Posted by pritch
Russia is Fucked.
(Cue some Canadians in War Memes)
On a serious note - I suspect most of them will be going to the Ukrainian equivalent to National Guard/Home guard type units and probably won't be doing frontline combat, more likely will be bodies for doing logistics and all the other unsung work that keeps those front line soldiers sorted.
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You could be right.... I’m fan of several Canadian heavy wrecker shows. A VERY large portion of their clientele appears to be immigrant Indians and arabs. Good luck to Ukraine if they deliver supplies. The American truck drivers affectionately call them Snow Mexicans.
One can’t help but wonder how many al queda/isis types are going to slip through the cracks and get rearmed... although perhaps that’s part of the Elites plans....
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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No apologist just highlighting the hypocracy of when Russia is doing something vs when America is doing same. As Churchill said first casualty in war is the truth.
None of us are there we are relying solely on how media report shows it and we already seen deliberate bias and false reporting in some cases.
Yes there’s no doubt been civilian casualty and senseless death but nowhere near as bad as what it could be...
On a side note McDonalds hamburgers are only temporarily(obviously Ukraine doesn’t buy enough junk food) closing their 850 Russian stores. Guess they wanted to make sure the reinforcements were well fed before they left for war....
Ironically they might be improving Russian life expectancy by closing.... there’s a free health experiment in the making there.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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Before Putin’s time but recommended viewing about Russia....
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
Forum whore
It would appear that the policies outlined here have failed, otherwise why are is Putin (ex KGB, would know all about this) going back to the Stalinist method of (attempting to) control Ukraine. Also mentioned here is the "rift" with China. You may have heard of the BAM (Baikal Amur mainline, famous for some spectacular off road riding stories on ADVrider) where the railway was shifted at enormous cost away from the China border as it was deemed vulnerable - which seems a lot to pay for deceiving the West about supposed relations with China - "The Soviet Union built the BAM as a strategic alternative route to the Trans-Siberian Railway, seen as vulnerable especially along the sections close to the border with China. The BAM's costs were estimated[by whom?] at $14 billion, and it was built with special, durable tracks since much of it ran over permafrost. Due to the severe terrain, weather, length and cost, Soviet general secretary Leonid Brezhnev described BAM in 1974 as "the construction project of the century".[1]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikal...3Amur_Mainline
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
(PostalDave on ADVrider)
Geriatric hoon
Was interested to see a US pundit on social media proclaiming that we shouldn't blame the Russian people they are innocent. I pointed out that they aren't innocent this is being done in their name. It was then pointed out by somebody else that the Russians have been misinformed. Well tough shit. In many wars they would now be targets, it's just their good fortune that it seems Ukraine doesn't currently have the hardware to bomb Moscow.
This is another lesson in global survival, if you've got nukes, never give them up. Give them up, and if the Yanks don't bomb you the Russians will. Ukraine had the world's third biggest nuclear arsenal but they gave it up. A peace agreement was reached between the US, Russia, and others, which guaranteed Ukraines protection. So much for that.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Imagine if I'd made that statement...
I don't blame the Russian People, nor do I think this is being done in their name. They are misinformed, but that's why plurality of opinion is important, so for every CNN you have a Fox.
And whilst they may be safe from direct attack, they are still loosing Sons, Fathers and Brothers.
Curse Putin, the Oligarchs and the Government till the cows come home - but no Man should be made to answer for the crimes of his Country.
Interesting way of stating it, as that is essentially the same argument for the Second Amendment. And I've seen a lot of very interesting conversation about that flying around in European circles.
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Well I just watched the news broadcast of the new legislation, looks like all correspondence on matters involving Russia/Ukraine is closed lest a member or this site be accused of supporting Russia.
I hereby forthwith condemn Russian actions in Ukraine or anywhere else on the globe and fully support our supreme leader Jacinda as comrade Adern is our single source of truth.
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IT'S OK, the guys in the white coats are coming doewn the hall, this very minute.
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The Majestic Metal Wizard
On this the current Ukraine conflict, I have seen an alarming number of reports of openly Neo-Nazis fighting on the side of the Ukraine.
And I don't mean 'OMG you didn't use my pronouns, YOU NAZI!', I mean full on Swastika flying, SS bolt wearing, Jew Hating, Holocaust denying Neo-Nazis.
This presents a series of Moral Dilemas.
Firstly - One of Putin's bits of Rhetoric was that he was 'De-Nazifying the Ukraine' - and when even the NATO twitter account posts a picture, where a Female soldier has a Black Sun logo on her chest - it seems like all the best lies, there's a kernel of truth to it.
As a quick aside, does anyone here believe that Putin is so aghast at Neo-Nazis that his morals compel him to intercede? Yeah... Me neither....
Secondly - I don't like any form of political extremists - Communists and Nazis can both Fuck off.
Thirdly - and this is perhaps the most worrying, the fight in Ukraine necessitates that everyone who is ready, willing and able to Fight, does fight. It's not like they have such an overwhelming military advantage that they can turn around to these people and say 'Go home, you aren't welcome in this fight, we don't want your kind here'. We are supplying equipment to these people, to defend their homeland, but what after? Does anyone think such an extremist group is going to turn their arms in? Hell, even the regular Ukrainian citizen is likely to be clutching tightly to any weaponary they own in a manner that would make even the most ardent 2A advocate from the US feel inadequate.
Like all things in life, there's things lurking beneath the surface.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
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You are assuming there is going to be anyone left after Putin keeps this up for a few more weeks with no outside intervention.
Geriatric hoon
There are Nazis in Ukraine, they even have a political party which got 2% of the vote in the last election, so a major power they ain't. The country elected a Jew as President after all. The Nazis have an armed militia that has been fighting Putin's stooges in East Ukraine for the last eight years or so. Which is fine by me.
They are "training" (brain washing?) kids though, and that is a concern.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Yeah, Nazis or Putin. The Agony of Choice, right?
The problem I see is if the Ukraine achieves some form of Victory, they will be able to say 'We fought and died for our Homeland, we aren't evil like the Russians, we're the good guys!' and that is some powerful rhetoric.
Especially, as you say, when it comes to Children.
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Geriatric hoon
To us, well more so to you than me. the presence of Nazis might appear a major factor. I had seen vague references and seen the Russian propaganda but only came across some specifics in a relatively recent item. Ukrainians have been living with these people for a long time, they know about them and may even know some. They are used to them.
This is about the Azov Regiment, the Ukranian Nazi unit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoqZ8gPKKis
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
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