The Ukraine Invasion.

[husaberg]

A comedian yes but he's got a law degree, a very common qualification among politicians.

Hes has a pretty interesting petigree, An actor who owned his own production company stared in movies his father was a professor and university head of department his mother and engineer.
His grandfather rose through the ranks to become a colonel in the red army , Note his great grandfather and three grandfathers siblings died in the Holocaust. although this is not confirmed.
He also won the Ukraine version of dancing with the stars.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/03/...ly-and-career/
just to top it all off he was the Ukraine voice of Paddington Bear


imagine how far he could have got with a small loan of a hundred million dollars.


No pay off's to porn stars no multiple marriages to bimbos no stories of mushroom shaped penis
he hasn't declared the media to be the enemy and claimed piutin is his friend or that the KKK has good people.
and unlike a lot of the former US prez hes no dodging the draft.

[R650R]

That's a different concern to the one I've seen expressed. There will be many Ukrainians who have lost a lot, possibly lost everything, they may want vengeance. Some could even have a Russian passport, some fairly heavy weaponry, and a desire for vengeance.

Yes indeed but very quickly I’d say the criminal underworld/organised crime and White supremicusts Will be back to doing what those type of people do.... and they will be fully tooled up thanks to our donations....
But looks like Zelensky has plans....

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/e...ral-european-1

[TheDemonLord]

No pay off's to porn stars no multiple marriages to bimbos no stories of mushroom shaped penis
he hasn't declared the media to be the enemy and claimed piutin is his friend or that the KKK has good people.
and unlike a lot of the former US prez hes no dodging the draft.

Look, I like Zelensky, and I think he's doing a great job - but if you think there's no Pay Offs in the Ukraine you are delusional.

Not only that, he's got a self-declared Neo-Nazi brigade fighting for him - that's a bit more than merely saying there are good people on both sides of an issue.

[R650R]

An interesting angle on why the west is so reluctant to properly step up to the mark with real assistance, articulated on another website....

Apparentky with Russia’s new superior air defence weapons they are petrified of their flagship f35 “ stealth” fighters being shot down among other technical issues.
It seems a lot of the modern gear mightn’t do what’s says on the sides of the pretty packaging box.....
This kind of meshes well with words of the Tornado pilot whose book I mentioned elsewhere. When they went to gulf war they knew Saddam had heaps of half decent gear but whete horrified at just how much of a fight the air defence systems put up...,

Also it’s kinda ironic that modern nations are in effect virtue signalling by listing the specific amounts of what they are sending. Do politicians realise it’s a war and not just a Facebook status update for nation

[husaberg]

An interesting angle on why the west is so reluctant to properly step up to the mark with real assistance, articulated on another website....

Apparentky with Russia’s new superior air defence weapons they are petrified of their flagship f35 “ stealth” fighters being shot down among other technical issues.
It seems a lot of the modern gear mightn’t do what’s says on the sides of the pretty packaging box.....
This kind of meshes well with words of the Tornado pilot whose book I mentioned elsewhere. When they went to gulf war they knew Saddam had heaps of half decent gear but whete horrified at just how much of a fight the air defence systems put up...,

Also it’s kinda ironic that modern nations are in effect virtue signalling by listing the specific amounts of what they are sending. Do politicians realise it’s a war and not just a Facebook status update for nation

Congratulations That's one of the stupidest posts you have ever made.
Have you missed the reason the west doesn't want to get involved directly as they have nukes as well?
You know the same reason it has been since the 50's

[Swoop]

Apparentky with Russia’s new superior air defence weapons they are petrified of their flagship f35 “ stealth” fighters being shot down among other technical issues.
It seems a lot of the modern gear mightn’t do what’s says on the sides of the pretty packaging box.....

It's the other way around. The "combat proven" equipment that Russia has been using in Syria is proving to be a massive liability. Add to that the amount of customers who have cancelled arms contracts with Russian companies - this will also affect the future economic stability of Comradeland for years to come (over and above the sanctions imposed on them).

It seems the tank as a concept is heading to the graveyard of equipment required in a war.

[R650R]

It's the other way around. The "combat proven" equipment that Russia has been using in Syria is proving to be a massive liability. Add to that the amount of customers who have cancelled arms contracts with Russian companies - this will also affect the future economic stability of Comradeland for years to come (over and above the sanctions imposed on them).

It seems the tank as a concept is heading to the graveyard of equipment required in a war.

Well they certainly made some errors in sending tanks into confined areas when they are best used gulf war style. A large rapidly moving front over open ground followed by infantry mopping up left overs.
They had about as much chance getting into central Kiev as a preloaded teen drunk driver thinking he will avoid a breath test checkpoint.

[Swoop]

Well they certainly made some errors in sending tanks into confined areas when they are best used gulf war style. A large rapidly moving front over open ground followed by infantry mopping up left overs.
They had about as much chance getting into central Kiev as a preloaded teen drunk driver thinking he will avoid a breath test checkpoint.

This time of year is referred to as the "mud season". Only a retard would attack now...

It is interesting to see the similarities with the Russian army and the WW2 German army in this area. The battlefields of Kursk and Stalingrad are not far away.

[TheDemonLord]

It seems the tank as a concept is heading to the graveyard of equipment required in a war.

I've seen this bandied about a bit - but I disagree - whilst the next generation of Tank may change in response to Lessons learned in the Ukraine - there will be a next generation of Tank.

As awesome as the NLAW is - it's range is only about 400-800 meters. One of the things I see consistently mentioned by commentators is that the Russians seem to have forgotten the whole combined arms things where the Infantry and the tanks support each other.

[pritch]

I've seen this bandied about a bit - but I disagree - whilst the next generation of Tank may change in response to Lessons learned in the Ukraine - there will be a next generation of Tank.

As awesome as the NLAW is - it's range is only about 400-800 meters. One of the things I see consistently mentioned by commentators is that the Russians seem to have forgotten the whole combined arms things where the Infantry and the tanks support each other.

The Russian tanks have a crew of three, they use a self loading main gun. Other tanks generally use a loader and have a crew of four. Ultimately tanks may have no crew and be operated by remote control like drones.

The NLAW is supposed to self destruct at 1000m. The Russians would need to be very sure whether they were facing NLAWs or Javelins because the Javelin has a range of 2000m.

The Russian handling of their armour has been eye opening, they're reportedly ignoring pretty much the whole text book - when they've actually got fuel.

[TheDemonLord]

The Russian tanks have a crew of three, they use a self loading main gun. Other tanks generally use a loader and have a crew of four. Ultimately tanks may have no crew and be operated by remote control like drones.

This is where we get to the interesting concept of trade-offs.

A Russian tank has a crew of 3, which means if the tank is destroyed, less Human casulties, but it also means if one of the crew is injured - the Mission has to be scrapped, there's also one less person for Maintenance and specifically for the Auto-Loader - Both the inability to switch out projectiles (e.g. loading an HE round ready to take on a bunker when you suddenly see Enemy Armour and need an APFSDS round) and that the Ammo isn't in secure/wet stowage (I'm assuming you've seen the tanks with the Turrets that have gone pop)

Whereas the American tanks have one extra Man which although it means an extra person in harms way, the Mission can go on if one crew member is incapacitated - they can switch Ammo (pull the round out, shove a new one in) and Western tanks have better Ammo Stowage.

Remote control tanks are an interesting concept - I remember reading/watching about one of the experiments that the British Army did with a Chally 2 - whereby the added a shitload of optics/cameras on the tank - such as reversing cameras and one that sat on the end of the barrel (but pointing perpendicular to the barrel - allowing them to 'peak' round corners).

That experiment was shelved because the Tank crews were taking up too much time 'peaking' and being too cautious. This is where I think the concept of Drone Tanks will hit a decisive inflection point - Do you design your drone tank to be cheap and disposable in order to foster a 'Full speed ahead and Damn the torpedoes!' mentality, or do you make your Drone tank more survivable, but possibly promoting what we Gamers would refer to as 'Camping' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camping_(video_games)

Edit: Also to add - I'm not entirely convinced that a Drone will ever be able to give a sufficient tactical awareness so as to alert the Tank Commanders 6th Sense.

The Russian handling of their armour has been eye opening, they're reportedly ignoring pretty much the whole text book - when they've actually got fuel.

This is probably the single biggest reveal - Tanks pushing into Urban Combat without dismounted troops covering the tank, no combined arms - every lesson learned in every tank engagement since the inception of the Tank - it's been startling TBH.

Several Military commentators have even remarked that the Russians don't even appear to be following their own Doctrine as to how they are meant to be fighting - there's a guy on YT that did a number of years in the 11th armoured Cav (The OpFor guys) and so 'trained' using Soviet/Russian Doctrine in order to fight how they are supposed to fight - and even he is scratching his head.

[pzkpfw]

The other benefit of the Russian auto-loaders is that's where the Russian Army Choir gets its supply of castrati.

[Racey Rider]

.......... - all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

Maybe that's what was said to Putin, about the fact Ukraine has been shelling Ukrainians in the Donbas for the last 8 years!

Of course you wouldn't hear that on NZ news (Who parrots whatever American news tries to put out as truth.)

[Laava]

So why didn't Putin use this as his excuse to invade then?
Instead of nothing other than "special military operations"?
It has just occurred to me that by "special", he meant as in special olympics...now it is all starting to make sense...
no wonder they are getting pushed back!

[R650R]

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/04/a-...by-corruption/