David Seymour

[R650R]

The treaty protest hikoi has been and gone. What a total waste of time and resources, when Luxon said previously it would not be supporting the bill past the first reading - along with labour, greens, and maori party absolutely no chance of going further. Just a redneck dogwhistle from ACT. How many police hours have been wasted, how much work has been disrupted by traffic delays? Not blaming the hikoi marchers, they had to show opposition.

If there’s any “dog whistling” it’s from an irresponsible media in this country. David’s popular recent quote is pertinent “they say kill the bill I say read the bill”.
The treaty is in no danger and will not be altered even if the bill got anywhere.

Here’s what the bill is about. In 1975 one of courts ruled that the principles of the treaty must be upheld etc… However they failed to define the “principles”. This is very important in legal world as everytime someone is upset about principles related treaty matters a lot of court time is used and the principles being unknown are not be fairly or consistently applied in judgements.
The bill just says hey let’s sit down and define what the principles are.
If anything Maori might end up with more or clearer understanding of any treaty rights.

None of this would have happened if the previous regime hadn’t thrown the word principles around like candy in order to get votes.

To David’s credit he fronted up outside ready to talk today but they weren’t interested in any dialogue says it all. And let’s not forget Jacinda just ignored last big protest to turn up.

We all want to honour the principles of the treaty but it’s going to be hard if we can’t sit down to agree what they are.

[TheDemonLord]

So, having read the proposed bill, I have issues with the first section:

"The Government of New Zealand has full power to govern, and Parliament has full power to make laws. They do so in the best interests of everyone, and in accordance with the rule of law and the maintenance of a free and democratic society."

I do not like Governments having full power to govern. Especially when they invoke "the best interests of everyone"... I would much rather have something in here about Natural Rights (Right to free speech, Bodily autonomy, Self-defense, bear arms etc.) - especially after the global farce that was Covid.

However, the ethos of the Bill I support: No where has laws, based on racial groups, ended well.

I have been disapointed by the opposition to this bill, in terms of their failure to articulate exactly what their issues are with it (I mean, I know what the activist opposition to it is are - but they won't say them outright) - from the regular people who are opposed to it, the level of debate has been disapointing.

To answer the question was it worth it: Well, Civil Unions were legal in 2004 and it took till 2013 to have same sex marriage. Before that there were legal cases way back in 1996.

It seems to me that for big issues, sometimes you need large-scale public debate, and in the end, it is usually worth it.

[Berries]

I liked the pretty flags and the half naked dancing.

[SaferRides]

Seymour has managed to do more for Maori unity than any other politician. Could be interesting to see how this ends.

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[Ocean1]

So, having read the proposed bill, I have issues with the first section:

"The Government of New Zealand has full power to govern, and Parliament has full power to make laws. They do so in the best interests of everyone, and in accordance with the rule of law and the maintenance of a free and democratic society."

Democracy is the worst system of government ever, except for every other system that's ever been tried.

It allowed, for example the removal of the last govt that failed to do what they were elected to do. It'll probably keep doing it until either a govt is elected that does listen to the majority or a govt is elected that destroys democratic process altogether.

[Berries]

While the minority marched I think the majority posted comments under this video.

[jellywrestler]

the displays of anger and vitriol instead of basic discussion and explaining it seems to indicate a lack of a real reasoning and actually having a decent case to put forward for a fair balanced hearing to be decided on.
Didn't Eminem get more people than this last time he was in wellington?

[pritch]

Not a fan of democracy I see.

Welcome back. It's been a while?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not stupid. But a calculating neo-fascist. He needs to get in the bin.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Democracy is the worst system of government ever, except for every other system that's ever been tried.

It allowed, for example the removal of the last govt that failed to do what they were elected to do. It'll probably keep doing it until either a govt is elected that does listen to the majority or a govt is elected that destroys democratic process altogether.

The one where I am in charge of everything is the best one but only theoretically at this point. That will change. I am bringing back the Roman empire, baby. Nero, not Augustus or Marcus.

[nerrrd]

The haka does make me cringe, every time. But then I'm a first generation kiwi, and Maoritanga was pretty much invisible in my education (I think we learned to count to five maybe?) I've never had any desire to learn about it, I think I managed one anthropology paper at university, and that may have been one of the exams I accidentally on purpose didn't bother to sit. But I don't feel any particular affinity for Pakeha/NZ culture either, church services make me cringe (and don't get me started on that coronation), not particularly interested in farming, rugby, drinking beer, hunting and fishing, yachting, never had a buzzy bee etc etc. Fred Dagg was funny at the time, though. Is being a-cultural a thing?

Anyway, for the above reason I don't really follow what's happening with the Treaty particularly closely, but hasn't it been chugging along in the background quite happily for a few decades now? Is there some crisis looming there that I'm not aware of?

[jellywrestler]

Is there some crisis looming there that I'm not aware of?

think the word is apartheid by the sound of it

[Berries]

think the word is apartheid by the sound of it

Perish the thought.

Whatever next, race based rugby teams?

[Ocean1]

The one where I am in charge of everything is the best one but only theoretically at this point. That will change. I am bringing back the Roman empire, baby. Nero, not Augustus or Marcus.

Will there be orgies, Mr Caligula?

[Ocean1]

Welcome back. It's been a while?

Cheers, aye, little personal improvement though. Just doing the Mr Toad thing as far as my meager resources allow...