Poor police have hands tied again

[R650R]

Last nights news mini scandal about police allegedly unlawfully taking random snaps of suspicious characters.
What gets me is most of those complaining will likely have fakebook, Gmail, TikTok etc and many will have new generation smart tv. And in the terms and conditions you’ve signed over more rights to your data than the police have.... over to private international business cartels.
It’s so silly as they could legally make a written note of a suspicious persons description for future reference but taking a photo is offensive.
All they are doing is working smarter with digital technology. How is it different from the old days of one cop saying to another hey keep an eye out for that shady character drives an FJ Holden with mismatch panels.
This all clashes with the new smart cameras that will take photos of you using phone.
What’s next will stopping someone and asking them what they’ve been up to today be offensive.

[pete376403]

What’s next will stopping someone and asking them what they’ve been up to today be offensive.

To some sections of the community it already is.

[JimO]

racial profiling mainly because one race seems to be doing all the criminal stuff, perhaps that race should turn its outrage against the shitheads in their midst

[R650R]

racial profiling mainly because one race seems to be doing all the criminal stuff, perhaps that race should turn its outrage against the shitheads in their midst

It’s not all it’s only about 50% going by prison stats. I searched that to see if the others 50% could claim profiling as well assuming Europeans (38% of imprisoned) would be much lower. However a quick look says it’s likely the photo shoots prob mirror prison pop stats.

If one stops to think it would be counter productive for cops to photograph any non suspicious persons. You’d very quickly end up with a meaningless stack of images with no context. Eg I’ll go on road trip take huge bunch of photos and unless you use them soon or name properly you end up forgetting what you have in library.
I’m sure of the 6000 photos many are ones that were taken for a good reason at time then forgotten about.

If you do the maths on how many cops we have and how many people they interact with daily I’m surprised number is not higher.

[pritch]

It’s not all it’s only about 50% going by prison stats.

So 12% of the population comprise 50% of the prison population? Hmmmm. Jim has a point but the courts do not treat everyone equally. I recall a Cabinet Minister's son who stole a Ministerial limousine then crashed it. As useless a driver as he was a thief. He got diversion. I don't read too many stories about Maori kids getting diversion.

If a parent can pay a lawyer the outcome will generally be different to that for someone represented by legal aid. It shouldn't be that way but it is.

[R650R]

So 12% of the population comprise 50% of the prison population? Hmmmm. Jim has a point but the courts do not treat everyone equally. I recall a Cabinet Minister's son who stole a Ministerial limousine then crashed it. As useless a driver as he was a thief. He got diversion. I don't read too many stories about Maori kids getting diversion.

If a parent can pay a lawyer the outcome will generally be different to that for someone represented by legal aid. It shouldn't be that way but it is.

Never mind lawyer part.... regardless of race you now get a discount on sentence if you had tough upbringing etc

That really gets me someone will have bashed a random stranger then get a discount cause daddy used to bash them as kid etc.... it’s like flybuys points and reverse of the three strikes principle.

I still say when it comes to equality the police need to be targeting women offenders more. Women are under represented in prison population. Men are imprisoned at a disproportionate rate due to systemic bias

[pritch]

Never mind lawyer part.... regardless of race you now get a discount on sentence if you had tough upbringing etc

That really gets me someone will have bashed a random stranger then get a discount cause daddy used to bash them as kid etc.... it’s like flybuys points and reverse of the three strikes principle.

That's missing the point a bit. If dads got cash there won't even be a prison sentence to discount.

[R650R]

Woooop woooop dats da sound of the police....

Police pursuits are back baby!!!! Release the Kraken screamed Jacinda over the deafening roar of protesting Indian dairy owners.

Some posters on here maintain that NZ is such a safe crime free country... seems the PM disagrees, finally letting our police be police again

[sugilite:Me]

And there has already been a death right here in my neighborhood from a police pursuit. I'm not saying the police should not chase, but damn, that did not take long.

[JimO]

And there has already been a death right here in my neighborhood from a police pursuit. I'm not saying the police should not chase, but damn, that did not take long.

hopefully it was the offender who died

[TheDemonLord]

And there has already been a death right here in my neighborhood from a police pursuit. I'm not saying the police should not chase, but damn, that did not take long.

Police Chases really do drive home the moral conundrum:

Do we risk life and limb in the immediate future or do we risk greater life and limb in the long term?

I tend towards the long term view, but that is not to say that the Police always get it right.

[sugilite:Me]

hopefully it was the offender who died

Yes, if course it was. The deceased was a fellow motorcyclist. With your hope being fulfilled, does it bring you contentment?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...te-in-auckland

Police Chases really do drive home the moral conundrum:

Do we risk life and limb in the immediate future or do we risk greater life and limb in the long term?

I tend towards the long term view, but that is not to say that the Police always get it right.

I 100% agree. There is no clear answer for this.

[pete376403]

Yes, if course it was. The deceased was a fellow motorcyclist. With your hope being fulfilled, does it bring you contentment?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...te-in-auckland

Not really my fellow, any more than car drivers are (I drive a car, too)

As far as I am concerned, he chose the actions that resulted in his death, regardless of the means of doing so. Doesn't bring contentment, just acknowledgement that, usually, we reap what we sow.

[R650R]

Tragic that person is dead and innocents seriously injured. Although the Internet crash investigation team would like to somehow blame the police some pertinent thoughts.

1) Police abandoned the pursuit
2) we don’t know if the standard of riding before the pursuit and at the time of crash are same or different.
3) we don’t know if it was a dealer on a p-rod or a young fella making a bad decision.
4) to Bec signalled to stop by police you must’ve first commit an act that’s warrants their immediate action (they are busy these days)
5)to not be signalled by police to stop; registers and WOF your vehicle, don’t drive like an idiot, don’t Bec involved in activities or relationships that bring you to police attention...

[JimO]

Yes, if course it was. The deceased was a fellow motorcyclist. With your hope being fulfilled, does it bring you contentment?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...te-in-auckland


I 100% agree. There is no clear answer for this.

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