Sam Uffindell

[pritch]

and anyone who thinks the current government are doing a good job is a fucken moron

There's an unremitting propaganda war by the likes of Newstalk ZB. People probably believe that crime is out of comtrol and International debt is spiralling blah blah blah.
It's all nonsense. If you look at international ratings NZ compares more than favourably with other countries. As for the out of control crime, NZ is rated the second safest country on earth behind only Iceland. The US and the UK have debt to GDP ratios over 100%. Last official figure I saw for this country was 26% but it may be up around 30% now. We are still rated in the top 10 happiest countries although you wouldn't know it to listen to all the whinging from the right.

Then there's Three Waters. This proposal is based on what happened in Scotland which is considered tinternationally to have been successful. Of course the devil is in the detail, but a lot of the objections are from racists who haven't even read the proposed legislation but are adamantly opposed anyway. Have you noticed the protestors? They all have professionally produced matching placards, somebody is using the simple minded fuckwits but they remain blissfully unaware. I guess Three Waters gives them a change from worrying about chemtrails and the illuminati.

To finish off I will mention the Governments world ranked COVID response.

If that makes me a moron so be it. But I'm not the one living an alternate reality.

[TheDemonLord]

There's an unremitting propaganda war by the likes of Newstalk ZB. People probably believe that crime is out of comtrol and International debt is spiralling blah blah blah.
It's all nonsense. If you look at international ratings NZ compares more than favourably with other countries. As for the out of control crime, NZ is rated the second safest country on earth behind only Iceland. The US and the UK have debt to GDP ratios over 100%. Last official figure I saw for this country was 26% but it may be up around 30% now. We are still rated in the top 10 happiest countries although you wouldn't know it to listen to all the whinging from the right.

Then there's Three Waters. This proposal is based on what happened in Scotland which is considered tinternationally to have been successful. Of course the devil is in the detail, but a lot of the objections are from racists who haven't even read the proposed legislation but are adamantly opposed anyway. Have you noticed the protestors? They all have professionally produced matching placards, somebody is using the simple minded fuckwits but they remain blissfully unaware. I guess Three Waters gives them a change from worrying about chemtrails and the illuminati.

To finish off I will mention the Governments world ranked COVID response.

If that makes me a moron so be it. But I'm not the one living an alternate reality.

So, you're admitting that the Media lies to further their preferred narrative? Interesting, I'll remember that for later.

But here's a bit or reality for you:

https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/inflation-cpi

See that massive increase in Inflation? Going from 1.3% to 7.3%? The one caused by the Covid Overreaction? Yeah. That's what people are angry about, everything else is just Window Dressing.

Also, bonus points for playing the Race card on the likes of 3Waters.

[pete376403]

So, you're admitting that the Media lies to further their preferred narrative? Interesting, I'll remember that for later.

But here's a bit or reality for you:

https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/inflation-cpi

See that massive increase in Inflation? Going from 1.3% to 7.3%? The one caused by the Covid Overreaction? Yeah. That's what people are angry about, everything else is just Window Dressing..

The increase in oil prices as a direct result of the Ukraine invasion is just window dressing? Given that fuel cost increases knock on to just about every other thing.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...20per%20barrel.

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/-/media/c62...shx?sc_lang=en

[TheDemonLord]

The increase in oil prices as a direct result of the Ukraine invasion is just window dressing? Given that fuel cost increases knock on to just about every other thing.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...20per%20barrel.

https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/-/media/c62...shx?sc_lang=en

Look at the graph. Invasion started at the end of Feb this year.

Inflation was already shooting up before the Invasion.

[pete376403]

Look at the graph. Invasion started at the end of Feb this year.

Inflation was already shooting up before the Invasion.

OK, this chart shows, relative to the rest of the world, NZ isnt that bad. https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ontinent=world

[TheDemonLord]

OK, this chart shows, relative to the rest of the world, NZ isnt that bad. https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ontinent=world

I don't care about relative to the rest of the world.

I care about relative to New Zealand.

That's like telling someone who is burning to death that relative to the Antarctic, he's at a normal temperature.

There's a simple truth that yourself and Pritch are failing to admit - that Jacinda's policies have made New Zealand worse off. That's why people are angry and that's why even the Media are reporting on it.

Although bonus point - the same Immoral, ideologically driven policies that were tried overseas on a larger scale than in NZ had greater negative consequences than in NZ. The logical conclusion is that the Policies are the problem, not the location.

[pritch]

I don't care about relative to the rest of the world.

Because that reflects the reality of the situation but you prefer an altrnative however unreal. Situation normal...

[TheDemonLord]

Because that reflects the reality of the situation but you prefer an altrnative however unreal. Situation normal...

No, it doesn't.

Because you are trying to bait and switch.

My point is solely that things are worse directly because of Jacinda's Policies.

Have things gotten worse in NZ under her Tenure? Crime is up, Inflation is up etc. etc. The answer is therefore, 'Yes'.

Whether or not the new level of Crime or Inflation is better or worse than most of the world is Irrelevant because I'm not making a global comparison, I'm comparing NZ to before Jacinda with NZ during Jacinda.

You are trying to shift the frame of reference from a local reference to a global reference in order to deny or downplay those facts.

The only thing I will grant you is that yes, many places in the world have it worse - although it is curious that you don't acknowledge that the reason they have it worse is because they are doing the same things that made NZ worse.

[pritch]

My point is solely that things are worse directly because of Jacinda's Policies.

But 'less worse' than almost anywhere else.

[pete376403]

I don't care about relative to the rest of the world.

I care about relative to New Zealand.

That's like telling someone who is burning to death that relative to the Antarctic, he's at a normal temperature.

There's a simple truth that yourself and Pritch are failing to admit - that Jacinda's policies have made New Zealand worse off. That's why people are angry and that's why even the Media are reporting on it.

Although bonus point - the same Immoral, ideologically driven policies that were tried overseas on a larger scale than in NZ had greater negative consequences than in NZ. The logical conclusion is that the Policies are the problem, not the location.

So you are saying what almost every government of every country in the world did was wrong but all they had to do was ask you how to manage things?

[TheDemonLord]

But 'less worse' than almost anywhere else.

And?

It still doesn't change the fact that it's more worse than it was.

[TheDemonLord]

So you are saying what almost every government of every country in the world did was wrong

Yes.

They over-reacted (as I said at the start) and that overreaction has consequences - which we are now paying for.

And the real kicker is when you look at what some of those who are not 'almost every government' did - and you look how they aren't suffering those consequences.

but all they had to do was ask you how to manage things?

All they had to do was to stick to Libertarian principles and not do what the CCP did.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm always fascinated that people are willing to suffer themselves (like they have the past 5 years) from socialist policies,28,000 on the state house waiting list and growing, inflation coming out of there bums,

just to knock the wealthy or people that are doing better than themselves.

I couldn't give a fuck what Grame Hart was up too.

[pritch]

I'm always fascinated that people are willing to suffer themselves (like they have the past 5 years) from socialist policies,28,000 on the state house waiting list and growing, inflation coming out of there bums,

So you are saying that not building state houses is socialist policy?

[TheDemonLord]

So you are saying that not building state houses is socialist policy?

I think he's saying destroying the economy, causing people to need State Houses is a Socialist Policy