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    Quote Originally Posted by iYRe View Post
    DP was great, but my new hero is Binder. Dude. How the hells does he do that?
    Binder pushed the tyres a little too hard Bags clean style made the difference.

    Miller is still learning the bike there is hope yet for the southern Hemisphere LOL

    What an event, Crashes, long laps, two red flag restarts, Heaps pf passing on a track they said you couldn't pass

    Second thought: MM got away with his style because he was the only one riding at 110% risk now they are all doing it! I don't think this is the last MM crash we will see

    Third thought: A lot of debate out there atm but I think the stewards got it right for Fabio and Bagnia. Miller was very lucky there was no contact when he passed Martin.

    I think it's me that needs a rest before Le Mans LOL
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    I'm currently wearing a portable ECG machine - I am concerned the medical staff might think I was having an issue there.
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    I reached 96bpm during the last few laps lol.

    Awesome racing in the sprint and GP, though yet more multi rider crashes and some weird penalties.

    Franco - bit tight but just trying to find his place. Penalty not really deserved looking at replays IMO

    Fabio - too eager to make up ground and got squished. I'm 50/50 on this one. Poor Olivera.

    Peco on Jack - I don't actually think Jack was off line, he's just run it tight and bashed him out of the way. 50/50 really as Peco was on the gas when he hit Jack.

    Jack on Martin - totally different move compared to Peco. He dove in there on the brakes and did more of a block pass rather than a bash n go. Fucking rough on Martin as its a bad place to have that happen but I kinda see why the stewards didn't act on it.

    We have tight regulations so the racing is going to be equally tight, it is what it is.

    One thing Crafar keeps referring to Peco as is "the come back king". So many times he's been lost on Friday and "the team look at the other bikes and found something" to quote Peco after the race.
    I'm a huge Pecco fan, but he's definitely getting one hell on a leg up from having 7 other bikes data to look at. Not sure what Dorna can do to even this out at all as its a bit of a self fulfilling conundrum: the satellite teams want as competitive bike as possible, Ducati supply it and the staff therefore making their bike even more competitive, luring more teams...

    So great to see my boy Dani again, looked like he dropped back in the early carnage then manage to pass Maverick and Alex Marquez then find his way onto the tail of the lead bikes. Go KTM.

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    Wow, what a race!
    Bagnaia rode the race becoming the current World champion.
    Binder - Holly swashbuckling hell! He showed that given the right bike and track and he is up for it.
    Miller was completely spectacular as well! Who knew that a bike tested by 51 kg Pedrosa would produce what appeared to be a Dirt Tracker edition of a KTM motogp bike
    I'll put my hand up and admit my earlier criticism of they will never make a world championship winning bike with a steel frame. Whoops
    I wonder if that frame (in combination with a lot of things) is what is giving Binder and Miller the ability to ride them like dirt tracker bikes in slippery conditions.

    The guy who I was secretly hoping would win was Pedrosa, but fucken hell he went well!! Though in a way, it does call into question about - are there any aliens right now with Marc Marquez constantly out?
    I enjoyed reading about the accolades Pedrosa got during the rider parade....
    https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/10...-was-about-cry


    And Honda, maybe they should of treated Pedrosa with the respect he deserved. The honda would likely have been a weapon by now had they had Pedrosa's guidance.

    I'm worried about Yamaha, They may just withdraw ala suzuki, rather than build a v4 and develop it. Poor old Quartararo is on a bike that just cannot seemingly compete on any track so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post

    And Honda, maybe they should of treated Pedrosa with the respect he deserved. The honda would likely have been a weapon by now had they had Pedrosa's guidance.
    They were saying that Jack's input might have been the thing that just pushed it over the line. Pedrosa got it to a point where it was almost there and JM's just pushed it out to the front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iYRe View Post
    They were saying that Jack's input might have been the thing that just pushed it over the line. Pedrosa got it to a point where it was almost there and JM's just pushed it out to the front.
    Jack and Binder ride exactly the same, so yeah I think they've been able to collate data to set it up together to be a total mad lad under the brakes. Great to watch.

    Pedrosa shows it can be ridden smooth too though, as did Miguel so its clearly a very competitive package now, difference from last year is its good every weekend. COTA is slippery and bumpy, it worked. Jerez is super grippy, it worked. I wouldn't rule Binder or Miller out for a title challenge tbh if Bags bins it any more times.

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    a fair assessment i believe from mr oxley https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/a...ogp-penalties/
    I believe some years back Freddie was absolutely down and out, and was possibly thrown a lifeline in the form of his current job ... sadly it might be time to let him go

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    The KTMs seem to have good rear grip and very good horsepower too.
    Dani has made the difference,Jack hasnt been there long enough to have any real input. maybe Pol too needs some credit

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    There's been a lot of talk regarding what Jack has brought with him from his time at Ducati, so I wouldn't be too quick to discount his input.

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    Can't recall where but I read that the test rider was sometimes faster than the factory riders. That'd cause some unease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Can't recall where but I read that the test rider was sometimes faster than the factory riders. That'd cause some unease.
    Possibly not when its Pedrosa or Crutchlow :P
    When they are testing they are often alone, or on the track with very few other bikes, no one holds them up, causes the front tire to overheat etc.. (So I have heard). So when/if they get on the track on raceday they are a bit slower than the battle hardened current riders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    There's been a lot of talk regarding what Jack has brought with him from his time at Ducati, so I wouldn't be too quick to discount his input.
    Yes - i read someplace that jack asked to run the bike with quite a bit longer wheelbase which BB also adopted and gave the thumbs up to. not sure how reliable stuff we read from crash etc is... I'd love to know actual wheelbase and front/rear bias etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    There's been a lot of talk regarding what Jack has brought with him from his time at Ducati, so I wouldn't be too quick to discount his input.
    not discounting his input at all,but the design of the bike is set.He would have very good input on setup and he has experience on at least 3 bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWST? View Post
    not discounting his input at all,but the design of the bike is set.He would have very good input on setup and he has experience on at least 3 bikes.
    the design wasnt set between last year and this year though, when he moved from ducati last year is when he had input. They were saying that a lot of the input is relating to how to make the bike quick for one lap, get it off the line quicker, etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by iYRe View Post
    the design wasnt set between last year and this year though, when he moved from ducati last year is when he had input. They were saying that a lot of the input is relating to how to make the bike quick for one lap, get it off the line quicker, etc
    point taken

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