MotoGP 2023

[Autech]

Even an alien cant win on that bike, the fact he is even able to do what he does is amazing.. remember most of the other guys, Rins and Mir are screwed and TN is circulating in last place.

Martin seems to have grown a new leg.. GJ to him.

He's been proclaimed by so many to be this amazing rider who could ride anything and win on anything. That's simply not the case. What we're seeing is the result of the level being raised and him not being able to match it, then him being fucking reckless because he can't. That's how he got injured in the first place, trying to push to dominate the likes of Quatararo.

Same thing happened to Rossi after all, the young guns came in and raised the bar just as he did when he rocked in at 2013. Still not understating his achievements when he was at the top of the game of course, he was king for many years.

Rins showed it can still win after all so its not all bad. How was he rewarded? Not getting access to the upgrades that the others got. Ducati are where they are as they are working as a team every weekend, that's how they got where they are. Unless Honda start doing the same they'll be screwed.

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[Reckless]

What a great battle for 1st and 2nd Well done to both.

I also saw Jorge (in the background while talking to Pecco) getting a prompt to sit up and get his camera presentation sorted
So looks like they are working on thew Whole package incl fitness.

I really like Ducati and the riders attitude to racing, team orders and racing in general. If you watch post race conference this is well evident.

Poor Jack he just doesn't seem to be able to put it all together. I had hope but it didnt happen

MM didn't race - WOW - thats a big call for him - A turning point??
Prob told HRC the bike is un-ridable if he can't even make it through warm up.
I am not a fan but I feel for him he is one of the few that push past the limit to find it - its in his DNA.
But I didnt like his lack of empathy when he walked past Johan to get back to the pits after the prang.
Big issues there with the rider and the bike - watch this space

[iYRe]

That's simply not the case. What we're seeing is the result of the level being raised and him not being able to match it, then him being fucking reckless because he can't. That's how he got injured in the first place, trying to push to dominate the likes of Quatararo.

You're the only person I have seen say that. Virtually everyone, commentators, etc, all say the bike is unrideable and the fact he can even get on the front row at all is amazing.
Rins and Mir are out injured because of the bike, TN is riding like an old lady because he doesnt want to crash.

The bike sucks so bad we cant even tell if the level of the new guys is raised to the level he cant match it. Lets get him on a bike that works and see first?

[Autech]

I have no doubt he'd be brilliant on a KTM as it would suit his front end style to the ground. I just find it ironic that everyone contributed his past success solely to his own brilliant ability and not the bike, but we're seeing now that he needs the right tools for the job just like any other rider. I've always said MM is great but only when the bike gives him the tools he needs, which is a rock solid front end he can abuse.

We did see the level being raised, why else was he playing mind games on Fabio when he rocked up? Acosta is inbound fast though and I really think he's shaping up to be the next generational talent.

Time will tell if MM can find a seat anywhere else other than Honda, Ducati don't want/need him, Yamaha are in a real spot and KTM are packed full of talent already. They'd have to possibly let Acosta go to make room for him. There's room at Aprilia eventually, Aleix is looking forward to time at home with his family and Maverick is still hit or miss, with Olivera sitting waiting at least one of those seats should go his way. Interesting times.



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[iYRe]

That's the same for all of us though isnt it? I've had lots of bikes some of which i bought because I wanted them, like the zx-14, but really struggled to make them work, but then hopped on other and they just seemed to suit me and how I ride. Not that I am a racer but it just generally on the road it applies doesnt it? Even more so when you're trying to make portions of seconds or fit it through a gap or something on a track.

That is my experience anyway. I reckon MM would find the Duc doesnt have enough "feeling" for him.

[Reckless]

I have no doubt he'd be brilliant on a KTM as it would suit his front end style to the ground. I just find it ironic that everyone contributed his past success solely to his own brilliant ability and not the bike, but we're seeing now that he needs the right tools for the job just like any other rider. I've always said MM is great but only when the bike gives him the tools he needs, which is a rock solid front end he can abuse.

We did see the level being raised, why else was he playing mind games on Fabio when he rocked up? Acosta is inbound fast though and I really think he's shaping up to be the next generational talent.

Time will tell if MM can find a seat anywhere else other than Honda, Ducati don't want/need him, Yamaha are in a real spot and KTM are packed full of talent already. They'd have to possibly let Acosta go to make room for him. There's room at Aprilia eventually, Aleix is looking forward to time at home with his family and Maverick is still hit or miss, with Olivera sitting waiting at least one of those seats should go his way. Interesting times.

I am aligned with your sum up Autech. The only rider wild card might be Morbidelli??

The interweb is getting stuck into MM but if the bike gives you nothing to tell you where the limit is how can you know.
Taka just said MM was doing nothing wrong, MM was at Taka speed not MM speed. Even Taka seems scared of the bloody thing.
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/202...akagami/458281.
Let not forget that bike has broken all its riders this year, Taka had a big one yesterday as well and the Damn Honda near broke Zarco too.
In my small experience the engineers are really starting to be more accountable the more people the bike breaks.

MM to break his contract and give Honda the real middle finger.
Next year for MM I reckon Aprilia - they will dump MV, let MM ride with Aliex for a year, then bring in Olivera next to MM, with new talent into RNF alongside Raul (RNF always wanted to train new talent). Aprilia would see that as a pretty bloody good 2 year plan and get MM for a bargain.
Watch this space.

[Autech]

That's the same for all of us though isnt it? I've had lots of bikes some of which i bought because I wanted them, like the zx-14, but really struggled to make them work, but then hopped on other and they just seemed to suit me and how I ride. Not that I am a racer but it just generally on the road it applies doesnt it? Even more so when you're trying to make portions of seconds or fit it through a gap or something on a track.

That is my experience anyway. I reckon MM would find the Duc doesnt have enough "feeling" for him.

Exactly, but the way people have gone on about MM over the years it was like the Honda was already unrideable and he was doing things it shouldn't be able to do. Now we see its actually unridable and he's crashed out of every GP he's entered and even injured another rider in the process. That's my main concern really, he's going to seriously hurt another rider or himself again if he carry's on like this.

I am aligned with your sum up Autech. The only rider wild card might be Morbidelli??

The interweb is getting stuck into MM but if the bike gives you nothing to tell you where the limit is how can you know.
Taka just said MM was doing nothing wrong, MM was at Taka speed not MM speed. Even Taka seems scared of the bloody thing.
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/202...akagami/458281.
Let not forget that bike has broken all its riders this year, Taka had a big one yesterday as well and the Damn Honda near broke Zarco too.
In my small experience the engineers are really starting to be more accountable the more people the bike breaks.

MM to break his contract and give Honda the real middle finger.
Next year for MM I reckon Aprilia - they will dump MV, let MM ride with Aliex for a year, then bring in Olivera next to MM, with new talent into RNF alongside Raul (RNF always wanted to train new talent). Aprilia would see that as a pretty bloody good 2 year plan and get MM for a bargain.
Watch this space.

Interesting take. Lets not forget the engineers are at the mercy of the feedback they are being given by the riders, Jack Miller has come out today saying that Honda fired all their engineers and replaced them with MM 's crew and that's why they're struggling. DP has also said some interesting things over the last few days, basically saying they put themselves there also but with a lot less swear words than Miller lol.

I honestly don't see Yamaha changing its rider lineup unless someone manages to lure Fabio over. Franco will at least land a spot in VR46 as he's more than proven he belongs in Motogp.

For MM Aprilia is indeed the easiest to slot into as they'll be able to make room but the KTM and red bull factor cannot be ignored. That would put MM back on a bike that Pedrosa has developed once again and has a great front end (the best actually looking at it). The only rider on the grid that rides like MM is Brad and you can see how devastating he is on that thing on a Sunday, if Miller could teach him to put in 1 lap he'd be winning a lot more.

Would KTM actually want MM though? Not with Pedro on their books I don't think...

The only move I def see coming at the end of the year is Digia being given the boot and one of the Moto2 boys grabbing it. Where it could get interesting is the likes of Zarco, he's good but he's been on a winning bike for how long and not made it happen? Ducati may want someone else in that Pramac seat.

[iYRe]

Exactly, but the way people have gone on about MM over the years it was like the Honda was already unrideable and he was doing things it shouldn't be able to do. Now we see its actually unridable and he's crashed out of every GP he's entered and even injured another rider in the process. That's my main concern really, he's going to seriously hurt another rider or himself again if he carry's on like this... Would KTM actually want MM though? Not with Pedro on their books I don't think...

Yeah I think even MM is concerned that he might hurt someone else or end his career.

The current argument seems to be - put him on a Duc - is it the Duc or is it MM? Same for any of the other manufacturers. Is the bike getting better or is it MM making it do things it shouldnt? If Aprilia won a championship, is it because the Aprilia was good, or because MM is an alien? If they dont is it because the Aprilia isnt all that good after all because MM should be able to do magic? That applies to everyone.

Even if he is really human, he can still do stuff others cant (see Rins/Mir/TN/etc) and that's always going to hang over his head.

[BMWST?]

He's been proclaimed by so many to be this amazing rider who could ride anything and win on anything. That's simply not the case. What we're seeing is the result of the level being raised and him not being able to match it, then him being fucking reckless because he can't. That's how he got injured in the first place, trying to push to dominate the likes of Quatararo.

Its a matter of degree. The bikes are all very close the margins are tiny. But the big changes in elctronics and aero have seen the bikes change a lot. Both Honda and Yamaha have suffered. It is related i think to the way the Japanese work ,they have not made the big steps forward with aero.MM has flattered the Honda. Fo years now he has been head and shooulders above the other Honda Riders. I reckon if he had a bike that was in the same ballpark as the duc/ktm/aprilia you would see him right at the top again.

[actungbaby]

yes spark sport said that content was going to tvnz but no specifics.I will see what thier coverage is like this weekend otherwise i might bite the bullet and get motogp .com. They will be having some reduced prices for the rest of the season
Do people watch motogp.com on google/android tv??

Wife got new the newsky box.i kinda mention looked cool.few hundred times
Its got google tv and sky know
Spark sport.so was able cast.
Direct watch on main tv.
Which old as plasma .
Still on spark hope dutch tt.
Be avaible as closes end june.
I thought was going be on tv on demand or plus ?

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[actungbaby]

Close shave at the end of that session alright ... Zarcos bike getting cut in half from underneath him. Marquez then saying Zarco at fault for exiting pit lane without enough caution...

I thought was his brother.was bit shicking see walk past without checking .lame

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[actungbaby]

I reckon he is either out, or gonna get out of his contract. I dont see how he can keep riding this way, and I cant see how he cant ride this way, if you catch my drift.
He clearly still wants to ride, but he's going to end up crippled, unless the bike gets fixed or he geta another ride.

God its grim watching , one bike .but it yamaha too.
Even mick saying ktm be intresting .top guy at honda motor company in private meeting ( secret)
He have buy out his contract.well who ever signs him whould .but its 8 dukes
On grid all that data.

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[actungbaby]

Exactly, but the way people have gone on about MM over the years it was like the Honda was already unrideable and he was doing things it shouldn't be able to do. Now we see its actually unridable and he's crashed out of every GP he's entered and even injured another rider in the process. That's my main concern really, he's going to seriously hurt another rider or himself again if he carry's on like this.



Interesting take. Lets not forget the engineers are at the mercy of the feedback they are being given by the riders, Jack Miller has come out today saying that Honda fired all their engineers and replaced them with MM 's crew and that's why they're struggling. DP has also said some interesting things over the last few days, basically saying they put themselves there also but with a lot less swear words than Miller lol.

I honestly don't see Yamaha changing its rider lineup unless someone manages to lure Fabio over. Franco will at least land a spot in VR46 as he's more than proven he belongs in Motogp.

For MM Aprilia is indeed the easiest to slot into as they'll be able to make room but the KTM and red bull factor cannot be ignored. That would put MM back on a bike that Pedrosa has developed once again and has a great front end (the best actually looking at it). The only rider on the grid that rides like MM is Brad and you can see how devastating he is on that thing on a Sunday, if Miller could teach him to put in 1 lap he'd be winning a lot more.

Would KTM actually want MM though? Not with Pedro on their books I don't think...

The only move I def see coming at the end of the year is Digia being given the boot and one of the Moto2 boys grabbing it. Where it could get interesting is the likes of Zarco, he's good but he's been on a winning bike for how long and not made it happen? Ducati may want someone else in that Pramac seat.

Yes they have the kalax chassis
Is one intresting area.but seems
Mm diesint want bike being good for team mates.
What honda do well u rekon.
Buy acosta .they done it before.
When rules change .there be no
Areo ride hieght .and acosta with honda.

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[Reckless]

Its not quite a Kalex chassis Simon interviewed one of the Honda team guys and he said it was made by Kalex to strict Honda specs.
Honda supplied all the parameters for the Manufacture.
Basically he was saying it was a Honda Chassis made by Kalex not a Kalex design as everyone is assuming.
We are all assuming they are trying Ideas from others but it appears they are not

Sooooo Maybe therein lies the issue??

[pritch]

How things have changed. When Gigi Dall'Igna went to Ducati the bike was a dog. If a rider criticised the bike, Ducati sent him to a psychologist.

A comparison was made to Honda. Unlike Ducati their engineers didn't take criticism of the bike as a personal insult. They were happy he had proved a direction to their work.

On that basis we can assume that the Honda engineers must be absolutely overjoyed at the moment.