Unmasking Elon Musk

[pritch]

There have been a good number of instances of late where the opinion of hundreds or even thousands of people who profess to know what they're talking about have been catastrophically wrong.

You don't say?

[TheDemonLord]

You don't say?

Indeed.

And Time has been awfully kind to my Point of View of late.

Awfully kind.

[sugilite:Me]

Indeed.

And Time has been awfully kind to my Point of View of late.

Awfully kind.

Are you referring to all the conservatives that were convinced the election was stolen as pushed by fox news? Despite the main talking heads there not believing it for a moment as evidenced by their personal messaging. If course fox is by far the largest conservative news source for US based conservatives. (I know you do not watch it). I'm surprised I have not seen an impassioned wall of text from you regarding this blatant attack on democratic processes and integrity - since we all know how passionately you are against
news organizations misinforming the people. Or is it just when the left leaning lot do it?

[TheDemonLord]

Are you referring to all the conservatives that were convinced the election was stolen as pushed by fox news? Despite the main talking heads there not believing it for a moment as evidenced by their personal messaging. If course fox is by far the largest conservative news source for US based conservatives.

(I know you do not watch it).

You kinda answered your own question there....

I'm surprised I have not seen an impassioned wall of text from you regarding this blatant attack on democratic processes and integrity - since we all know how passionately you are against
news organizations misinforming the people. Or is it just when the left leaning lot do it?

Well, tell you what - when Fox news is being leaned on by the FBI to push a story they don't believe in - then perhaps you might see such a post from me.

Till then, we aren't even in the same ball park.

[sugilite:Me]

- same question I asked to Pritch, I'll ask to you:

Exactly how is he driving it into the toilet?

Sacking staff before understanding their full function.
Imo, cutting support staff way to much, then not paying the slack invoice that lets support teams communicate with each other. We will see how twitter functions after its next few major outages shall we.
Wholesale unbanning of hate proponents to name just a few.

Indeed.

And Time has been awfully kind to my Point of View of late.

Awfully kind.

Only in your mind sport.
As you know, trumpageddon is coming for the gop. Im all stocked up on popcorn and are ready to dine out on I told you so's, which is not my usual style, but when it comes to you and Trump, im going to make an exception and are genuinely looking forward to his dismantling of the largest Conservative movement in the World. He has been steadily poisoning it for years, time to finish it off. A better Conservative movement 'should' rise from the ashes, one that honors and imo needed Conservative values and oversight. Though somthing tells me you will suddenly be too busy to be posting on kb about the time trumpegeddon gets underway in earnest.

You kinda answered your own question there....

Well, tell you what - when Fox news is being leaned on by the FBI to push a story they don't believe in - then perhaps you might see such a post from me.

Till then, we aren't even in the same ball park.

I doubt it, you are either desperately doing the ostrich thing, your usual first go to when facts go against your narrative, or you need better news sources

Im not surprised you do not view the largest Conservative 'news' organisation undermining democracy in order to save subscribers as not being in the same ballpark as the fbi asking twitter execs to bury a story for less than 24 hours. What would saint Seymour say?

And fun fact, Trump and his administration are on record for leaning on Twitter to delete posts they did not like. Where was the tdl outrage?

Oh yes, I had better order napkins for my trumpageddon dine out, shit is going to get messy

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...santis-report/
I mean, God forbid trump work on policy like his Obama care replacement lol

[TheDemonLord]

Sacking staff before understanding their full function.
Imo, cutting support staff way to much, then not paying the slack invoice that lets support teams communicate with each other. We will see how twitter functions after its next few major outages shall we.

Okay - interesting points - I have just one question:

"Have you noticed the impact of this, as an end user?"

Ironically there was an outage this morning with Image sharing on Twitter - but the platform was still up, Tweets still worked and most importantly: Most of the Code that is running Twitter is the same code that pre-existed Elon.

Wholesale unbanning of hate proponents to name just a few.

I've got a good feeling I can name some of the names of people who you think this applies to - I probably don't think they are 'Hate proponents', I think a better description would be 'disagree with radical left-wing ideology'.

But since you mentioned Unbanning (and I kinda thought and hoped you would) - I get to talk about the Banning that Elon did do. Namely getting rid of a whole lot of CP on Twitter (curious how the radical lefties could ban people for saying mean things, but couldn't ban people for dealing in illegal material....).

I put it to you - with absolutely zero grey area or nuance - that the banning of CP accounts, even at the supposed 'cost' of unbanning 'hate proponents' - is preferable in every way, shape and form.

I further put it to you that this shows where their sympathies lie.

Only in your mind sport.
As you know, trumpageddon is coming for the gop. Im all stocked up on popcorn and are ready to dine out on I told you so's, which is not my usual style, but when it comes to you and Trump, im going to make an exception and are genuinely looking forward to his dismantling of the largest Conservative movement in the World. He has been steadily poisoning it for years, time to finish it off. A better Conservative movement 'should' rise from the ashes, one that honors and imo needed Conservative values and oversight. Though somthing tells me you will suddenly be too busy to be posting on kb about the time trumpegeddon gets underway in earnest.

As is your opinion. Suffice to say, I have a different one.

I have to ask though - if you look at Trump's policy, very little of it would stand-out as misplaced on a 90s era Democrat ballot - think early Clinton.

What is it you think a Conservative movement is? Once you answer that question, why is what Trump did not Conservative? I'll even pre-empt your answer - there are things Trump did that are definitely not Conservative, policy wise - but my bet is - you won't agree on what Conservatism is and therefore won't agree on what the policy differences are.

Final question - what do you see as a better conservative movement?

Now - to show that this isn't a 'Gotcha' - the Core of the Conservative movement is based around individualism. Individual Rights, Individual responsibilities, Individual freedom and Individual choice.

There's many different facets where this applies - for example, Christian Conservatism = The Individual is made in the image of god and is divine. Capitalist Conservatism = Individuals freely engaging in trade is the most prosperous system. etc. etc.

All the subsequent ideas and views flow from that concept. It's also why Conservatives should be outright hostile to any collectivist ideology.

I doubt it, you are either desperately doing the ostrich thing, your usual first go to when facts go against your narrative, or you need better news sources

On the contrary - I think I have the perfect articulation of my position on this... From legendary 'Far Right' personality... Russell Brand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXVCyeb0hVw

His point - is that both Fox and MSNBC are two sides of the same coin - a statement I wholeheartedly agree with. Hence why I don't watch them on a regular basis.

Tim Poole (the eternal Fence-Sitter) is one source I use as an example.

Im not surprised you do not view the largest Conservative 'news' organisation undermining democracy in order to save subscribers as not being in the same ballpark as the fbi asking twitter execs to bury a story for less than 24 hours.

Firstly, glad not to disappoint.
Secondly - I'm going to accept your framing of the scenario (not that I actually do) without reservation, for the purposes of making the point:

Fox telling lies to save subscribers (as you framed it) is entirely within the bounds of the First Amendment.
The Government (FBI) 'asking' a company to censor a story is, to quote Ro Khanna (Democrat Congressman) "This seems a violation of First Amendment principles".

So yes - with your framing of the issue as above, it is not the same ball park. A News organization can lie through their teeth and the Government cannot muzzle them, but if the Government asks an entity to censure something because it makes them look bad - that's against the constitution.

What would saint Seymour say?

He'd probably say the solution is not to fund activist journalists from the Public Interest Journalism fund using public money.

And fun fact, Trump and his administration are on record for leaning on Twitter to delete posts they did not like. Where was the tdl outrage?

Did they do it? Or does the blade only ever cut one-way?

I'd be outraged if moderate left-wing commentators were being yeeted off the platform left, right and centre - but that doesn't happen.

You can have a profile with a hammer and sickle and regular spout Marxist rhetorhic, praise Stalin and Mao and be assured of not getting a ban-hammer. Despite those being responsible for far more death and destruction than the other Moustach'd bad man.

Yet, say that a Biological Male is a Biological Male - and you are banned.

Oh yes, I had better order napkins for my trumpageddon dine out, shit is going to get messy

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...santis-report/
I mean, God forbid trump work on policy like his Obama care replacement lol

Yes, Trump's maximum attack mode going against DeSantis isn't great, but that said - the people who are most vociferous in publishing these stories seem to be left-leaning outlets.

I mean, there wouldn't be some ulterior motive they might have for trying to stoke up division in the Conservative movement, could there...

Which should tell you just how much I trust their reporting.

[pritch]

Okay - interesting points - I have just one question:

"Have you noticed the impact of this, as an end user?"

Ironically there was an outage this morning with Image sharing on Twitter - but the platform was still up, Tweets still worked and most importantly: Most of the Code that is running Twitter is the same code that pre-existed Elon.

The answer to your question is yes. Daily.

This morning's 'outage' was the third in a month. Musk posted an explanation, he had changed something but there were unintended consequences.
You tend to get unintended consequences if you have fired the people who knew what they were doing, and the people who advised that what you are doing may be a mistake. He now has staff who either don't know or won't say.

[TheDemonLord]

The answer to your question is yes. Daily.

This morning's 'outage' was the third in a month. Musk posted an explanation, he had changed something but there were unintended consequences.

Daily? Or 3 times in a month?

Those are two different things.

Currently, I believe that Twitter outages (from Netblock) is 4 - last year it was 9.

But that's not 'Daily outages' - everytime I've gone to check something on Twitter, It has worked and I've gotten the info I needed/wanted.

You tend to get unintended consequences if you have fired the people who knew what they were doing, and the people who advised that what you are doing may be a mistake. He now has staff who either don't know or won't say.

That's one possibility, here's another - I know firsthand of many 'systems' that were 'stable' and 'working' as far as end-user performance goes. On the back-end they were horrendously out-of-date, not patched, running on duck-tape fixes etc. And the moment you touched those systems to make them better, you had issues.

The current Twitter outages and especially the explanation given by Elon hit so close to home for me, it's not funny.

Now - I'm not saying that I 100% believe him, I'm just saying that I've lived what he's describing multiple times.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

So you got nothing - noted.
For someone with so much free time on their hands, you sure come up short a lot - especially your predictions. It seems only perceived snipes towards your dad raise you from your slumber, well that and replying to your own posts.

Elon Musk said at an investor conference hosted by Morgan Stanley this morning that Twitter has a good shot at being cashflow positive by 2nd quarter.

So as you said Twitter would fail, I have decided to remind you every time Twitter move's forward financially.

The only thing that seems to have failed is your political motivated predictions.

[pete376403]

Elon Musk said at an investor conference hosted by Morgan Stanley this morning that Twitter has a good shot at being cashflow positive by 2nd quarter.

So as you said Twitter would fail, I have decided to remind you every time Twitter move's forward financially.

The only thing that seems to have failed is your political motivated predictions.

Elon says a lot of things, not all true - "It was based on things I was told that were untrue or, in some cases, true, but not meaningful,” he tweeted.

https://www.nbc15.com/2023/03/08/elo...th-disability/

[neels]

Elon Musk said at an investor conference hosted by Morgan Stanley this morning that Twitter has a good shot at being cashflow positive by 2nd quarter.

He'll be wishing he could go back to the good old days of the Trump presidency, seems that's the only time it's been profitable is when everyone was tuning in to see what nonsense he was going to twit next.

[sugilite:Me]

Elon Musk said at an investor conference hosted by Morgan Stanley this morning that Twitter has a good shot at being cashflow positive by 2nd quarter.

Considering this is the same guy that announced the cyber truck would be on sale by 2021 among many other failed production numbers and release date announcements, the weight i will assign upon this latest prediction is equal to one of my post spicy burrito farts.

So as you said Twitter would fail, I have decided to remind you every time Twitter move's forward financially.

Sorry if i wont be holding my breath.

The only thing that seems to have failed is your political motivated predictions.

My criticism of musk has nothing to do with politics. I neither lean left or right, I pretty much despise most pollies with great zest. Nor do I view musk as a political figure.
So in review, you doubted i had ever started a business. Then you predicted I slaved away all day, and now you incorrectly announced my musk criticism is politically motivated.
You have got it wrong 3 times in a row now. Oh dear.

Maybe just stick to quoting yourself, telling us every other post how wealthy you are (even though it makes it less convincing each time). To call you low rent troll would be insulting to genuine low rent trolls.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Maybe just stick to quoting yourself, telling us every other post how wealthy you are (even though it makes it less convincing each time). To call you low rent troll would be insulting to genuine low rent trolls.

You tell me your net worth value of assets, companies, equities and I'll tell you mine.

[husaberg]

You tell me your net worth value of assets, companies, equities and I'll tell you mine.

Yeah the issue is you have ben caught in that many lies already what difference would you lying on another day really make....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]