Unmasking Elon Musk

[pritch]

The letter X is enough to trigger the mail protection software that schools use.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-m...er&via=desktop

[SaferRides]

From the Herald article on the new Tesla centre in Mangere. Think about what the last sentence means for resale value:

How long do the batteries last?

Tesla batteries are warranted to maintain at least 75 per cent efficiency after eight years.

What will it cost to replace them?

Tesla has yet to hit that eight-year mark for mass-market models - and the firm says it won’t give a price until closer to the date, given battery prices are shifting as the market scales. But the broad rule of thumb is that for most makes and models of EV, the batteries account for around a third of the new car price.



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[Laava]

We are pretty bad here in NZ for replacing our vehicles. It seems to be that aussies get a much bigger run from their cars before trading. Whether that affects resale prices I have no idea wrt Teslas…

[R650R]

Battery efficiency is usually a measure of how much charge you get out for what you put in. You’ll notice any battery gets hot charging, that’s the feel of your money burning. Typically for a home solar setup you only get 65% of the energy you out into the battery that’s why they all price your savings based on you having a stay at home housewife doing all washing and cooking in daylight hours so the energy goes straight from panels to devices.

Also if you drive under harsh acceleration often or have an obese family your battery will be subject to more load and wear out faster.

Anyhow who would buy say any second hand car if dealer says oh mate she’s frighten awesome to drive but it prob need $6000 repairs in couple years time. In the uk there are specialist buyback companies doing a like what turners auctions have started to do here. There open source data says people are not prepared to pay decent $$$ for second hand ev. It’s likely most new buyers are govt delta and woke corporations creaming subsidies on new price.
The average joe doesn’t want to buy the currently available stuff

[pritch]

This does not relate to Elmo but it does relate to EVs so I'll park not here.

Y'all will be aware that a ship has been on fire off Holland for almost a week. It has thousands of cars on board and the original estimate was that 25 were EVs. That 25 has now been updated just slightly to 500. Further updates are likely.

I frequently watch this guy. He is often outspoken but he seems to feel quite strongly about this. His description of the Sydney Opera House car park with a capacity of up to 1200 cars and one exit has put me off using parking buildings. I rarely use them anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ9-mW-cmdE

[george formby]

I watched some of that last night before I got distracted.

It got me thinking about something I read awhile ago about the impact of new technology over the generations. It started with steam and the number of people killed by boiler explosions as it became more mainstream but still in it's engineering infancy. Absolute carnage for a few years. Then the early days of ICE engines got the same treatment and again it took quite awhile before they became safe. Gas, nuclear power etc came under the spotlight with the same safety curve.

I see no difference with EV's or more specifically, battery tech. Gonna be another few years before the tech matures.

The usual case of history repeating itself so I'm not going to get my knickers in a twist.

There's a lot of noise about relatively few battery fires and explosions but they are spectacular.

Scooter bomb

[SaferRides]

Yeah, the present battery tech has some major failings. It will no doubt be superceded in the next few years, which could be an interesting situation for companies who have invested heavily in battery factories.

But really, given the number of EVs in use now, spectacular failures are rare despite the impression we get from YouTube videos.

I'm definitely going to be late adopter when it comes to EVs.

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[pete376403]

"Tesla programmers rigged the cars' range-estimating software to exaggerate how far they could go without running out of battery and then, when charge on the battery fell below 50%, readjust to a more realistic projection, one Tesla employee told Reuters—an idea that came directly from CEO Elon Musk himself." https://www.reuters.com/investigates...tteries-range/

What else about these cars cannot be relied on?

[R650R]

Yeah, the present battery tech has some major failings. It will no doubt be superceded in the next few years, which could be an interesting situation for companies who have invested heavily in battery factories.

But really, given the number of EVs in use now, spectacular failures are rare despite the impression we get from YouTube videos.

I'm definitely going to be late adopter when it comes to EVs.

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I forget the link but awhile back someone reputable had timelined major inventions/technology over last few years and come up with some progress graphs. On one axis you had time, the other was efficiency/size etc.
A good example is the evolution of transistors to the micro semiconductors of today, computing power etc.
Anyhow the consultant conclusion is the big jumps are made pretty quickly and improvement then tapers off exponentially across the whole curve. So basically as time goes on only small improvements are made later in lifecycle.
We’ve had batteries along time and basically there is no exponential jump coming in the all important battery power/ density equation. Yes there are some cool things happening but we pretty much have it as good as it’s going to get

[pritch]

It seems that in addition to the tens of thousands of Chinese EVs parked in paddocks, registered with factory miles only, so as to represent "sales". VW has three factories making EVs. It's reported that the Brazilian factory has closed, the German factory has laid off some 30% of its staff. They too have thousands of new vehicles parked in paddocks.

All these EVs rotting in fields are an environmental disaster but they must be causing ulcers in the relevant boardrooms.

[george formby]

It seems that in addition to the tens of thousands of Chinese EVs parked in paddocks, registered with factory miles only, so as to represent "sales". VW has three factories making EVs. It's reported that the Brazilian factory has closed, the German factory has laid off some 30% of its staff. They too have thousands of new vehicles parked in paddocks.

All these EVs rotting in fields are an environmental disaster but they must be causing ulcers in the relevant boardrooms.

I wonder if the EU policy of counting emissions across a manufacturers total range of vehicles has anything to do with this?
IIRC, manufacturers of vehicles sold in the EU must meet a specific emissions threshold or end up paying enormous amounts in penalties.

[husaberg]

I wonder if the EU policy of counting emissions across a manufacturers total range of vehicles has anything to do with this?
IIRC, manufacturers of vehicles sold in the EU must meet a specific emissions threshold or end up paying enormous amounts in penalties.

Thats how Tesla traditionally made most of their revenue, by selling the credits to the likes of Chrysler...

[pritch]

Some matters from the recent past have just come to light.

In court the DoJ requested Trump's Twitter records including his private messages. They also stipulated that Trump not be made aware of the request. Twitter, as it was then, opposed the move but the judge ordered that the records be provided and stipulated a date. The date came and went with no response by Twitter. The DoJ moved for a contempt order. Twitter squealled "freedom of speech." The judge found Twitter in contempt and imposed a fine of fifty thousand dollars per day, doubling each day. Even so it took three days and $350,000 before Twitter woke up to fact that this was about to get very very expensive and the information was made availablele.

[sugilite:Me]

Cheers for the update Pritch.
At least Elon has the capacity to do a ton of media cleansing once trumps pending convictions turn him into a toxic mess to have ever been associated with.

[husaberg]

Some matters from the recent past have just come to light.

In court the DoJ requested Trump's Twitter records including his private messages. They also stipulated that Trump not be made aware of the request. Twitter, as it was then, opposed the move but the judge ordered that the records be provided and stipulated a date. The date came and went with no response by Twitter. The DoJ moved for a contempt order. Twitter squealled "freedom of speech." The judge found Twitter in contempt and imposed a fine of fifty thousand dollars per day, doubling each day. Even so it took three days and $350,000 before Twitter woke up to fact that this was about to get very very expensive and the information was made availablele.

You would have to wonder how musks legal advisors advised him What they were looking for is not covered by freedom of speech. They were looking for evidence of crime.