View Poll Results: Who is Elon Musk

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  • An absolute Einstein level Genius

    2 9.09%
  • An absolute hustler Ponzi/pyramid schemer

    6 27.27%
  • Good intentions but poor conceptually

    2 9.09%
  • Seeks credit/wealth from others existing ideas

    7 31.82%
  • Klaus Schwab/Elite puppet distraction tool

    1 4.55%
  • A Jules Verne visionary ahead of his time

    4 18.18%
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    A different perspective, Thunderfoot nails it again.

    Interesting that vertically landing a rocket was already mastered 30 years ago. The USA taxpayer is 4 billion dollars deep into this and they still haven’t done what Saturn 5 did with sliderulers.

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    Trump has more than once referred to, "My African American." It is now apparent that Trump's African American is Elon Musk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Trump has more than once referred to, "My African American." It is now apparent that Trump's African American is Elon Musk.
    And it now appears, an illegal immigrant. Another reason for a Presidential pardon,lol.

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    Adam does a good rip in this vid.Also covers off on “Elite Projection” how people like musk have ideas that only really work in their clean gated obedient McMansion suburbs of the wealthy.

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    Irony of ironies...

    Musk has long been ranting about illegal immigrants but it seems Trump's African American was himself an illegal immigrant. He allegedly arrived on a student visa but went straight to work, not to school. Hypocrisy is alive and well in the Trump campaign.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...ts/ar-AA1t5a7w
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Irony of ironies...

    Musk has long been ranting about illegal immigrants but it seems Trump's African American was himself an illegal immigrant. He allegedly arrived on a student visa but went straight to work, not to school. Hypocrisy is alive and well in the Trump campaign.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...ts/ar-AA1t5a7w
    that''s okay he paid a lot of tax oh wait.
    Just like trump......
    https://www.propublica.org/article/t...oid-income-tax



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    So who is going to buy Teslas in the US now?

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    Looks like Musk will be having to reach down behind the sofa cushions looking for cash to make rent this week.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyv3pzm4178o

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Looks like Musk will be having to reach down behind the sofa cushions looking for cash to make rent this week.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyv3pzm4178o
    This could be why hes so cozy with Trump now. The same guy that stacked the supreme court....



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    Musk doesn't seem yet to have got the joke that is his Department of Government Efficiency. The department that is not a department. He went to the Senate suggesting cuts to Defence spending. He got support from precisely one Senator: Bernie Sanders who has long favoured Defence cuts. Musk wants to can the F35. Several countries have ordered them, Saudi Arabia wants them and when Trump is President Saudi Arabia tends to get what it wants. So far the F35 would seem safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Musk doesn't seem yet to have got the joke that is his Department of Government Efficiency. The department that is not a department. He went to the Senate suggesting cuts to Defence spending. He got support from precisely one Senator: Bernie Sanders who has long favoured Defence cuts. Musk wants to can the F35. Several countries have ordered them, Saudi Arabia wants them and when Trump is President Saudi Arabia tends to get what it wants. So far the F35 would seem safe.
    Perhaps Musk might get taken for a “demonstration” ride in a two seat F35 (does that exist?) You really gotta be careful around the money machine that is the defence industry…

    Technology is moving faster than he is thinking though. Jamming technology is getting so advanced it’s kinda ironic that just as AI unmanned aircraft become the next best thing, suddenly a human that can still fly to target with old school knee map and written instructions that can’t be switched off becomes of great value. It’s prob reason why even the old B-52 is getting new engines retrofitted to see them out to 2050.
    If you care to read some books from those guys they can precisely navigate old school style to accurate time on target. And I mean real accurate time as you don’t want to fly through the shockwave of lead aircraft’s bomb drop.

    Forgot where I saw it but there is now a man portable AI jamming unit that soldiers can take with them in mountains akin to jamming pod on a wild weasel jet that will automatically protect them from incoming threats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    If you care to read some books from those guys they can precisely navigate old school style to accurate time on target. And I mean real accurate time as you don’t want to fly through the shockwave of lead aircraft’s bomb drop.
    The altitude they fly at there wouldn't be much chance of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R650R View Post
    It’s prob reason why even the old B-52 is getting new engines retrofitted to see them out to 2050.


    Forgot where I saw it but there is now a man portable AI jamming unit that soldiers can take with them in mountains akin to jamming pod on a wild weasel jet that will automatically protect them from incoming threats.
    You seemed to have missed the modern B52s mission is as a missile truck. Since the introduction of moderns sam's its mission as a conventional bomber is only in uncontested airspace. With 8 1950s engines its very inefficient, But 4 new engines saves a lot of maintenance and running costs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Musk doesn't seem yet to have got the joke that is his Department of Government Efficiency. The department that is not a department. He went to the Senate suggesting cuts to Defence spending. He got support from precisely one Senator: Bernie Sanders who has long favoured Defence cuts. Musk wants to can the F35. Several countries have ordered them, Saudi Arabia wants them and when Trump is President Saudi Arabia tends to get what it wants. So far the F35 would seem safe.
    This is a thoroughly interesting topic TBH - So for myself, I used to have some issues with the F35, but that was more because I thought it was meant to be something it wasnt (in short - I thought it was meant to be a cheaper F22).

    Understanding what the F35 does, I actually like it a whole lot more now. It is a seriously terrifying weapons system. I have linked a great video, by Ryan McBeth who basically disagrees entirely with Elon, and there is much that I agree with Ryan in this video. That Range, Projection of Power and absolute impact downrange all heavily favor the F35.



    However... Elon makes an interesting point - an FPV drone can be made for about 300-500 each. An F35 costs around $100,000,000. That means for the resources cost - for every 1 F35, you can get 200,000 Drones. If only 10 percent of those are lethal on target, that is 20,000 casualties.

    And that is not factoring in the costs of the Weapons, Fuel, Pilot training etc. for the F35.

    One of the first things that any over-enthusiastic Amateur historian learns about Military history, especially WW2 - is that WunderWaffen in many cases hampered German efforts, because they could not be fielded in enough numbers to have a significant impact and took resources away from other more conventional weapons.

    As the anecdote goes - it takes 4 Shermans to take out a Tiger, which is why the Americans always showed up with 5.

    The US, at the moment, has enough industrial capacity to field enough F35s that they would be effective in any conflict and doubtless would have a significant outcome on any engagement....

    The usage of Drones, however by a skilled adversary could be an effect Economic warfare strategy - If we consider Price to be reflective of Man-hours to make something, if a $500 Drone can destroy a multi-million dollar vehicle or a single soldier, eventually - the man hours to replace the losses will (eventually) favor the Drones.

    That said... I am sure that eventually we are going to see effective squad-level anti-Drone weaponary - like the Javelin for Tanks and Bunkers or the Stinger for air threats - but even then - a Javelin is ~$300,000, a Stinger is ~$110,000, and the cheapness and effectiveness of Drones is serious bang-for-buck, even if there is a successful Anti-Drone solution, unless the price-point per round is relatively cheap - it will be easy to bleed an enemy financially.

    This is all to say - I think Elon is wrong to cancel the F35 - however, he has a point - and once someone figures out a way to remove the human skill element from an FPV drone and have the targetting automated and be able to fly them on-mass - so instead of one drone from one operator hunting for a single individual, it is 1,000 drones covering an area semi-autonomously and engaging any an all targets - then it will reinforce Elons point.

    TL;DR - I like the F35 - but Drone warfare is evolving, fascinating and the price point per munition is exceptionally cheap - and Elon has a point (albeit a badly made one)
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